• Contested Election

    From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to All on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 19:14:39
    I did mention before that a contested election could end up being an absolute nightmare for the country. If neither candidate is willing to admit defeat and they end up seeking lawful intervention, this statemate could go on for days or even weeks. Trump has already hinted that if he loses it'll be because of shenanigans carried out by the other side... Biden, likewise, will be no different as he'll be taking Hilary's advice which is not to concede defeat. I just hope this will come to a reasonable conclusion and the public don't exercise civil unrest as a consequence.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 16:31:13
    On 11/4/2020 12:14 PM, Andeddu wrote:
    I did mention before that a contested election could end up being an absolute nightmare for the country. If neither candidate is willing to admit defeat and
    they end up seeking lawful intervention, this statemate could go on for days or
    even weeks. Trump has already hinted that if he loses it'll be because of shenanigans carried out by the other side... Biden, likewise, will be no different as he'll be taking Hilary's advice which is not to concede defeat. I
    just hope this will come to a reasonable conclusion and the public don't exercise civil unrest as a consequence.

    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took
    Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
    expats from California though.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Thursday, November 05, 2020 10:01:45
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Wed Nov 04 2020 04:31 pm

    On 11/4/2020 12:14 PM, Andeddu wrote:
    I did mention before that a contested election could end up being an absol nightmare for the country. If neither candidate is willing to admit defeat and
    they end up seeking lawful intervention, this statemate could go on for da or
    even weeks. Trump has already hinted that if he loses it'll be because of shenanigans carried out by the other side... Biden, likewise, will be no different as he'll be taking Hilary's advice which is not to concede defea I
    just hope this will come to a reasonable conclusion and the public don't exercise civil unrest as a consequence.

    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
    expats from California though.

    Speaking of which, I have just heard from a Spanish source that they detected a truck unloading ballots out of accounting time over there. I have not checked it because I am working like crazy today :-( but if true that would be big

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Thursday, November 05, 2020 18:34:57
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Wed Nov 04 2020 04:31 pm

    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
    expats from California though.

    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Thursday, November 05, 2020 13:08:19
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 05 2020 06:34 pm

    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

    It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I find a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.

    Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or perhaps there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/HUB to Andeddu on Thursday, November 05, 2020 16:26:33
    On 11/5/2020 11:34 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

    Not really, news orgs have been quicker to declare Biden victories than
    some of Trumps. Several of the races are really close as well. Netiher
    Trump nor Biden had a stellar campaign.

    If Biden had actually been a bit more visible and carried himself a bit better, I think it could have gone much better. Some of his
    associations really hold him back, and Harris doesn't help. Not pushing harder to try to get the rioting to reign in sooner could have helped as
    well. The fact his running mate and staff were bailing out violent
    rioters probably hurt him as much as anything for many that might have considered him.

    If Trump hadn't gone silent on his more populist messages this year, and
    been more consistent, or hell benn more like he was in the second
    debate, it could have been a landslide. The 2-3% shift in seniors over
    COVID handling didn't help either. He should have been slightly more transparent, at least to Governors much earlier, and a bit more
    assertive and consistent in the messaging, it could have gone a lot
    better. Not that the individual states/cities did well either.

    In the end, I'm just glad neither party has control over the Presidency
    and both houses of congress, which is when really bad stuff can and
    often happens. Conflict, negotiation and compromise are essential to
    our functioning society and if one side gets too much control, it won't
    go well for the public.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/HUB to Nightfox on Thursday, November 05, 2020 16:31:34
    On 11/5/2020 2:08 PM, Nightfox wrote:

    It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I find a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.

    Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or perhaps there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..

    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    Each state has some differing rules.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Thursday, November 05, 2020 18:01:07
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 05 2020 06:34 pm

    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Wed Nov 04 2020 04:31 pm

    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win
    there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden
    took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to
    TX on expats from California though.

    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

    there's a lot of fake ass voting.
    hell, i just looked up My voting history online. i only vote for mayors, governors and presidents. they have me down voting for everything.
    someone was stealing MY votes all this time.

    they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them throwing ballots away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that have a huge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Thursday, November 05, 2020 16:38:00
    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
    expats from California though.

    You know, you'd expect California expats to be the ones that were trying to escape the leftist and high taxes, yet it sounds like they are just
    bringing it with them. That is sad.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thursday, November 05, 2020 19:08:37
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Nov 05 2020 04:31 pm

    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    Each state has some differing rules.

    A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need to get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, November 05, 2020 23:03:01
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 05 2020 07:08 pm


    Each state has some differing rules.

    A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need to get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.



    hey i just found this load of ballots for biden. they have this fresh ink with yesterday's date stamped on them.
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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Tracker1 on Friday, November 06, 2020 21:36:00
    Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-

    On 11/5/2020 2:08 PM, Nightfox wrote:

    It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I
    find
    a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them
    to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But
    I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in
    some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is
    going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.

    Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or
    perhap
    s there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..

    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    Each state has some differing rules.

    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally a Fascist.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Friday, November 06, 2020 08:01:47
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 05 2020 07:08 pm

    Re: Re: Contested Election
    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.

    I'd like to also ad the AZ has a large population of immigrants from mexico and columbia. Many undocumented. I think the problem we are going to see is identifiying voters. What trump is contesting is counting illegal votes.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Friday, November 06, 2020 08:08:47
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Thu Nov 05 2020 07:08 pm

    Re: Re: Contested Election
    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it wasn't called out here.

    A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.

    I'd like to also add that AZ has a large population of immigrants from mexico and columbia. Many undocumented. I think the problem we are going to see is
    identifiying voters. What trump is contesting is counting illegal votes.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dennisk on Friday, November 06, 2020 09:56:36
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dennisk to Tracker1 on Fri Nov 06 2020 09:36 pm

    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tec to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consid maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is litera a Fascist.

    That is pretty much my take on it.

    These elections are just for show. Nobody trusts the democratic process anymore.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dumas Walker on Friday, November 06, 2020 11:58:24
    On 11/5/2020 2:38 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there
    either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took
    Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
    expats from California though.

    You know, you'd expect California expats to be the ones that were trying to escape the leftist and high taxes, yet it sounds like they are just
    bringing it with them. That is sad.

    Kind of... people don't always consider the real sources of their pain
    though. They think in terms of what's in front of them and often don't
    dig deeper. Many still don't care.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dennisk on Friday, November 06, 2020 12:04:07
    On 11/6/2020 8:36 PM, Dennisk wrote:
    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    Each state has some differing rules.

    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider
    maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally
    a Fascist.

    I agree... I think there's some fishy things going on in several
    locations. Most locations that are effected are those that would have
    gone biden anyway, where it really matters is in some of the closer
    states. I think MI, PA, GA and NC are probably seeing a lot of
    issues... I'm not quite as concerned with GA and NC as I am MI and PA
    though.

    The trouble is proving it, and even then, what the solution is. Do
    these states allow for redress under the law, a re-vote or runoff? I
    don't know offhand.

    I do have some ideas on how to handle this in a way that prevents
    putting a thumb on the scale, but wouldn't likely see it in even 1/3 the country before 2024 just because of legal hurdles.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to HusTler on Friday, November 06, 2020 12:09:59
    On 11/6/2020 6:01 AM, HusTler wrote:

    I'd like to also ad the AZ has a large population of immigrants from mexico and columbia. Many undocumented. I think the problem we are going to see is identifiying voters. What trump is contesting is counting illegal votes.

    Generationally, AZ has a large ammount of citizens born from
    undocumented immigrants. These are legal votes, but tend to lean left.
    This combined with a large migraction from CA the past couple years and Trump's COVID handling seeing a 2-3% shift in a large senior population
    in AZ means there's a lot more people here voting D.

    I'm less suspicious of illegal activity in the election here, and that's
    only because I'm slightly more familiar with the environment locally.
    Oversite in some areas is either seeing suspicious things or
    insufficient though. IMHO, the protests here in Maricopa are kind of ridiculous at this point, and the media reporting is REALLY silly
    compared to how they reported the riots over the past 6 months.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDEDDU on Friday, November 06, 2020 16:13:00
    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

    The US press expected Biden to win big. He has not. A lot of folks who
    voted Trump, and maybe not for Democrats for President in general, don't seem to answer political poll calls any more.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Friday, November 06, 2020 16:20:00
    In the end, I'm just glad neither party has control over the Presidency
    and both houses of congress, which is when really bad stuff can and
    often happens. Conflict, negotiation and compromise are essential to
    our functioning society and if one side gets too much control, it won't
    go well for the public.

    Are we sure? Last I heard the Senate is not determined just yet.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Friday, November 06, 2020 16:23:00
    they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them throwing ball
    ts away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that have a h
    ge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.

    Don't know if this is true but, supposedly, more people voted in your state than there are registered voters.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Friday, November 06, 2020 16:31:00
    A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need to
    get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.

    Some states may allow postmarked-by. But they need to be consistent. They can't be one way on the books but then turn around and decide to process
    the extra ones that came in during the days we've been counting ballots and that are postmarked after 11/3. They tried that in Florida in 2000 but
    their state SoS stopped the locals from doing so.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENNISK on Friday, November 06, 2020 16:31:00
    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to >try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech >to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, >turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider >maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally
    a Fascist.

    That would explain why Biden was so very confident that he didn't get out
    and campaign until late, didn't take questions at many stops, and was
    pretty much able to answer any question he didn't like with "Trump told you
    to ask me that" or calling the person asking names and get away with it.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Tracker1 on Monday, October 19, 2020 08:49:00
    Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 11/6/2020 8:36 PM, Dennisk wrote:
    Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
    prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
    closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
    received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
    wasn't called out here.

    Each state has some differing rules.

    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big
    Tech
    to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would
    consider

    maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is
    literall
    y
    a Fascist.

    I agree... I think there's some fishy things going on in several locations. Most locations that are effected are those that would have gone biden anyway, where it really matters is in some of the closer states. I think MI, PA, GA and NC are probably seeing a lot of
    issues... I'm not quite as concerned with GA and NC as I am MI and PA though.

    The trouble is proving it, and even then, what the solution is. Do
    these states allow for redress under the law, a re-vote or runoff? I don't know offhand.

    I do have some ideas on how to handle this in a way that prevents
    putting a thumb on the scale, but wouldn't likely see it in even 1/3
    the country before 2024 just because of legal hurdles.

    Yes. I'm not suggesting that there is impropriety, but I find the
    media's take that any suggestion that there is, is ridiculous, to be
    troubling.

    It's simply an extrapolation of past behaviour. Imagine if in 1930,
    that people rubbished claims made that Al Capone may have also cheated
    on his taxes. Given what we knew about the guy, it wasn't exactly
    outside of character, was it?

    Trump has very good reason to be suspicious, and I would say that even
    if Trump was ahead, the Biden camp would also have good reason (though
    less so).

    The solution is to have good faith actors, impartial and honest
    involved. How to do that is difficult. I would say you need a lot of oversight, MORE eyes on the process. Having the windows boarded up during counts is suspicious
    indeed.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dennisk on Friday, November 06, 2020 19:26:03
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dennisk to Tracker1 on Fri Nov 06 2020 09:36 pm


    I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally a Fascist.


    trump is literally hitler and he grabs pussies all the time and he looks at little girls in beauty pagents. literally a rapist!

    so they figure all's fair in love and war.
    you can tell me there's no bullshit going on when they are preventing voting observers from entering and blocking windows.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Friday, November 06, 2020 19:28:50
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Nov 06 2020 04:23 pm

    they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them
    throwing
    ball
    ts away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that
    have a
    h
    ge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.

    Don't know if this is true but, supposedly, more people voted in your state than there are registered voters.


    no that's not true. they had a lot of people that apparently registered the day they voted.

    i just dont believe that many people voted. you could be handing out 100 dollar bills and only 50% of the people would show up for that.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Friday, November 06, 2020 23:30:51
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Nov 05 2020 01:08 pm

    It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I find a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.

    Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or perhaps there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..

    It's still 253-214 here from the BBC News in the UK. Some of those electoral college cotes are projected and not official, which is why the tally changes whenever you go to a different news source. Fox News were apparently quick to give Biden Arizona which still hasn't been called!

    If Trump has a genuine grievance and has evidence to present to the courts, he should absolutely push for an official inquiry.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Saturday, November 07, 2020 00:06:57
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Thu Nov 05 2020 06:01 pm

    there's a lot of fake ass voting.
    hell, i just looked up My voting history online. i only vote for mayors, governors and presidents. they have me down voting for everything.
    someone was stealing MY votes all this time.

    they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them throwing ballots away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that have a huge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.

    Seems like there may be evidence of a scandal in key states. I don't think Trump is dumb enough to kick off and delegitimise the democratic process if he didn't have an ace up his sleeve.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Saturday, November 07, 2020 03:16:01
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Fri Nov 06 2020 04:13 pm

    I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecti Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.

    The US press expected Biden to win big. He has not. A lot of folks who voted Trump, and maybe not for Democrats for President in general, don't see to answer political poll calls any more.


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    I would not answer polls either, since the media has ensured if you are not a left supporter you get demonized.

    A TV station here in Spain had a programme in which they visited villages were there were known Vox (Spanish "Trump") supporters. They would go around asking the locals "Do you know there were 3 votes for Vox from this village last election? Who do you think this extremists were?" They would keep asking
    around until they figured it out from the answers of the people or the voters stepped forward, at which point they were put to public shame.


    I think tagging and cancellation culture are very real, which is why I have been switching my voting from parties I have a 90% affinity with to parties I have a 60% affinity with but have pledged to fight this crap.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dennisk on Saturday, November 07, 2020 09:02:51
    On 10/19/2020 7:49 AM, Dennisk wrote:
    Yes. I'm not suggesting that there is impropriety, but I find the
    media's take that any suggestion that there is, is ridiculous, to be troubling.

    I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot because
    they vote for the other party. Corrupt mail carriers or people at
    polling stations. Transporters from drop off locations to counting
    locations.

    It's simply an extrapolation of past behaviour. Imagine if in 1930,
    that people rubbished claims made that Al Capone may have also cheated
    on his taxes. Given what we knew about the guy, it wasn't exactly
    outside of character, was it?

    Trump has very good reason to be suspicious, and I would say that even
    if Trump was ahead, the Biden camp would also have good reason (though
    less so).

    I also agree, and Trump called it out in 2016 even though he won.

    The solution is to have good faith actors, impartial and honest
    involved. How to do that is difficult. I would say you need a lot of oversight, MORE eyes on the process. Having the windows boarded up during counts is suspicious
    indeed.

    I think there is some fishiness.. but closing up windows when you have a relatively large mob of people banging on doors and windows isn't
    something I would consider fishy in and of itself. There is usually
    good coverage of observers in most locations around the country... some
    stuff is/was a bit fishy and ballots without a postmark or chain of
    custody are concerning. Similar for reports of shuffling/comingling
    ballots to be counted.

    I will say here are a *LOT* of people who despite their political
    leanings one way or the other are absolutely serious about preventing
    election fraud.

    Aside: I hope to god that the discussion of "smart contracts" or other bitcoin/blockchain voting can stop... we had to test the tech at work,
    and it literally took over a week to handle what we need to be able to
    do in seconds on the printing side. Events can still be signed/verified
    with private keys, but the transaction time for blockchain networks is
    way too slow to work when printing that many pieces, and the only way to
    speed that up is to control the network/chain, which negates the added
    value.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Saturday, November 07, 2020 10:56:00
    no that's not true. they had a lot of people that apparently registered the day
    they voted.

    A lot of states won't allow you to register, and be eligible to vote, after
    6 weeks or one month before an election.

    i just dont believe that many people voted. you could be handing out 100 dolla
    bills and only 50% of the people would show up for that.

    Agreed.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Saturday, November 07, 2020 10:59:00
    A TV station here in Spain had a programme in which they visited villages were >there were known Vox (Spanish "Trump") supporters. They would go around asking >the locals "Do you know there were 3 votes for Vox from this village last >election? Who do you think this extremists were?" They would keep asking >around until they figured it out from the answers of the people or the voters >stepped forward, at which point they were put to public shame.

    The press does not seem to do that here, but some of your fellow citizens
    might out you if you are not left enough. In some areas, they used to out
    you if you were also not religious enough. This area used to be one but I
    have not seen that happen in years.

    I think tagging and cancellation culture are very real, which is why I have >been switching my voting from parties I have a 90% affinity with to parties I >have a 60% affinity with but have pledged to fight this crap.

    Cancel culture is very real.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Dumas Walker on Saturday, November 07, 2020 17:29:57
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDEDDU on Fri Nov 06 2020 04:13 pm

    The US press expected Biden to win big. He has not. A lot of folks who voted Trump, and maybe not for Democrats for President in general, don't seem to answer political poll calls any more.

    I have no interest in politcal polls either as we have the same problem in the UK. Last year, we had Labour doing very well by the media and ahead of the Conservatives only to get crushed on election night. I was expecting the "silent majority" to pull Trump through. This isn't the case now as he appears to have lost the election with Biden officially President-Elect. Time for both parties to lawyer up!

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Tracker1 on Saturday, November 07, 2020 17:40:02
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Tracker1 to Dennisk on Sat Nov 07 2020 09:02:51

    On 10/19/2020 7:49 AM, Dennisk wrote:
    Yes. I'm not suggesting that there is impropriety, but I find the
    media's take that any suggestion that there is, is ridiculous, to be troubling.

    I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot because they vote for the other party. Corrupt mail carriers or people at
    polling stations. Transporters from drop off locations to counting locations.

    It's simply an extrapolation of past behaviour. Imagine if in 1930,
    that people rubbished claims made that Al Capone may have also cheated
    on his taxes. Given what we knew about the guy, it wasn't exactly
    outside of character, was it?

    Trump has very good reason to be suspicious, and I would say that even
    if Trump was ahead, the Biden camp would also have good reason (though less so).

    I also agree, and Trump called it out in 2016 even though he won.

    The solution is to have good faith actors, impartial and honest
    involved. How to do that is difficult. I would say you need a lot of oversight, MORE eyes on the process. Having the windows boarded up during counts is suspicious
    indeed.

    I think there is some fishiness.. but closing up windows when you have a relatively large mob of people banging on doors and windows isn't
    something I would consider fishy in and of itself. There is usually
    good coverage of observers in most locations around the country... some stuff is/was a bit fishy and ballots without a postmark or chain of
    custody are concerning. Similar for reports of shuffling/comingling
    ballots to be counted.

    I will say here are a *LOT* of people who despite their political
    leanings one way or the other are absolutely serious about preventing election fraud.

    Aside: I hope to god that the discussion of "smart contracts" or other bitcoin/blockchain voting can stop... we had to test the tech at work,
    and it literally took over a week to handle what we need to be able to
    do in seconds on the printing side. Events can still be signed/verified with private keys, but the transaction time for blockchain networks is
    way too slow to work when printing that many pieces, and the only way to speed that up is to control the network/chain, which negates the added value.

    I should clarify I'm not saying that Trump had the election stolen from him. He very well could have lost fair and square. My bigger concern, more than any potential fraud, is the RELUCTANCE of the media to investigate.

    It could be nothing, or nothing significant. But when there is reason to dig deeper, and "journalists" can only write about how Trump is playing games, it gives more reason to be suspicious.

    There is this modern trend of turning a blind eye to problems brought to peoples attention. I've had to face this professoinally as well, where managers simply refused to look into legitimate claims of problems occuring with other people.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Saturday, November 07, 2020 21:19:35
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sat Nov 07 2020 12:06 am

    Seems like there may be evidence of a scandal in key states. I don't think Trump is dumb enough to kick off and delegitimise the democratic process if didn't have an ace up his sleeve.


    At the very least Trump wants to show Americans how corrupt it's election system is. I don't think any votes will get overturned but I do think we will all be reminded just how flawed our elections are and how corrupts the Democrats are. So you want more government. Now you have it. Bring on the free money. Burn the cities, defund the cops. God Bless America!

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Andeddu on Saturday, November 07, 2020 21:30:43
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sat Nov 07 2020 12:06 am

    Seems like there may be evidence of a scandal in key states. I don't think Trump is dumb enough to kick off and delegitimise the democratic process if didn't have an ace up his sleeve.


    At the very least Trump wants to show Americans how corrupt it's election system is. I don't think any votes will get overturned but I do think we will all be reminded just how flawed our elections are and how corrupt the Democrats are. So you want more government?. Now you have it. Bring on the free money. Burn the cities, defund the cops. God Bless America!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Sunday, November 08, 2020 10:22:00
    I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot because
    they vote for the other party.

    Or refuse to drive them to the polls. I am related to a D that used to do
    that to their R spouse. They are no longer married. It is also one of the reasons I am not, and will never be, a D.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, November 08, 2020 17:56:24
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dumas Walker to TRACKER1 on Sun Nov 08 2020 10:22 am

    I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the
    lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot
    because they vote for the other party.

    Or refuse to drive them to the polls. I am related to a D that used to do that to their R spouse. They are no longer married. It is also one of the reasons I am not, and will never be, a D.


    Yep, my crazy democrat gf told me she would kick me out if i voted. this is the one who would talk about donald trump all day. i've been free of her since 2018. life is good.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to HusTler on Sunday, November 08, 2020 23:46:44
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: HusTler to Andeddu on Sat Nov 07 2020 09:19 pm

    At the very least Trump wants to show Americans how corrupt it's election system is. I don't think any votes will get overturned but I do think we will all be reminded just how flawed our elections are and how corrupts the Democrats are. So you want more government. Now you have it. Bring on the free money. Burn the cities, defund the cops. God Bless America!

    Arelor's point as a good one though. If you legitimise fraud once, it'll be all you'll get ever after. Trump was enroute to print the Dollar into oblivion anyway. Both the Democrats and Republicans were pushing for more quantatitive easing, and the Democrats have plans to expand the currency supply further by a large margin. Trump wasn't as fiscally responsible as people made him out to be. He called out Obama for using the Fed to fund BIG government, but ended up expanding over his predecessor.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, November 09, 2020 13:19:00
    Yep, my crazy democrat gf told me she would kick me out if i voted. this is th
    one who would talk about donald trump all day. i've been free of her since 201
    8. life is good.

    Sounds like life would be better that way.

    Ironically, or maybe not, the people I know who are most likely to be able
    to tell you what Trump "just tweeted" and that cannot stop talking about
    him are not Republicans or "Trumpsters." They are people who swear they
    cannot stand him yet they follow his every move a lot closer than I do when
    I cannot stand someone, even when they are the President.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDEDDU on Monday, November 09, 2020 14:36:00
    Arelor's point as a good one though. If you legitimise fraud once, it'll be all
    you'll get ever after. Trump was enroute to print the Dollar into oblivion >anyway. Both the Democrats and Republicans were pushing for more quantatitive >easing, and the Democrats have plans to expand the currency supply further by a
    large margin. Trump wasn't as fiscally responsible as people made him out to >be. He called out Obama for using the Fed to fund BIG government, but ended up >expanding over his predecessor.

    They usually do, in part because they want to add the parts they promised
    but are unable, without Congressional assistance, to remove the parts that
    the predecessor(s) added.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Monday, November 09, 2020 22:29:44
    Re: Re: Contested Election
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Nov 09 2020 01:19 pm

    Yep, my crazy democrat gf told me she would kick me out if i voted.
    this is
    th
    one who would talk about donald trump all day. i've been free of her
    since
    201
    8. life is good.

    Sounds like life would be better that way.

    Ironically, or maybe not, the people I know who are most likely to be able to tell you what Trump "just tweeted" and that cannot stop talking about him are not Republicans or "Trumpsters." They are people who swear they cannot stand him yet they follow his every move a lot closer than I do when I cannot stand someone, even when they are the President.

    yeah, trump is living rent free in their head. that's basically being psychotic. those people honestly need help because they are taking out this aggression on their friends, family and co workers.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 12:30:43
    On 11/7/2020 8:56 AM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    no that's not true. they had a lot of people that apparently registered the day
    they voted.

    A lot of states won't allow you to register, and be eligible to vote, after
    6 weeks or one month before an election.

    MN (one of the contested states) apparently has same day registration
    iirc...

    i just dont believe that many people voted. you could be handing out 100 dolla
    bills and only 50% of the people would show up for that.

    Agreed.

    Likewise... TBH, the vast majority of what I've seen in terms of fraud theories is made up BS though... it makes it harder to find the rest plausible, but I think there were some fishy things going on.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:35:00
    yeah, trump is living rent free in their head. that's basically being psychoti
    . those people honestly need help because they are taking out this aggression >n their friends, family and co workers.

    Some of them sure do need help. Obsessions like that are not healthy.


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