• Foreign Policy and Use of Troops

    From Utopian Galt@VERT to All on Saturday, September 05, 2020 09:51:36
    Establishment: C’mon man let’s go to war, anywhere, pretty please
    Trump: No and I’m hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull out our troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Utopian Galt on Saturday, September 05, 2020 14:07:59
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:51 am

    Establishment: C'mon man let's go to war, anywhere, pretty please
    Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull out ou troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS


    Something I have heard is that under Trump mediation, Israel and the Arab Emirates are on better terms than ever, but Obama got the Nobel :-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Saturday, September 05, 2020 18:50:56
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Arelor to Utopian Galt on Sat Sep 05 2020 02:07 pm

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:51 am

    Establishment: C'mon man let's go to war, anywhere, pretty please
    Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull
    out ou troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS


    Something I have heard is that under Trump mediation, Israel and the Arab Emirates are on better terms than ever, but Obama got the Nobel :-)


    they had a wierd explaination for giving obama the nobel peace prize. it wasnt for anything he DID, it was for what they hoped he would do after getting it. that's what they said. now some of the guys on the comittee regret their decision.
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to Utopian Galt on Sunday, September 06, 2020 01:11:52
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:51 am

    Establishment: C'mon man let's go to war, anywhere, pretty please
    Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull out our troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS

    Let's face it, if Trump said the old rhyme "Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning" someone would say he was calling to legalize red-light districts near navy bases. The concept of #OrangeManBad is still alive and well for many.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Utopian Galt on Saturday, September 05, 2020 20:49:57
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:51 am

    Establishment: C'mon man let's go to war, anywhere, pretty please
    Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull out our troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS

    Trump on visiting a cemetery filled with fallen American soldiers from WWII:

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I think that's even worse than hating them...

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hatton on Saturday, September 05, 2020 22:18:46
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Hatton to Utopian Galt on Sun Sep 06 2020 01:11 am

    Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull
    out our troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS

    Let's face it, if Trump said the old rhyme "Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning" someone would say he was calling to legalize red-light districts near navy bases. The concept of #OrangeManBad is still alive and well for many.


    trump derangement syndrome is a real thing and i think it needs more attention. my ex had it and she would talk about trump all day long. she said she HATED me just because i voted for trump. she said trump is a rapist and all other kinds of shit. she used to have CNN on full volume when she got home from work and watched it religiously.

    she knows nothing about politics but she was so involved with hating trump, it affected her mind during the waking hours.

    we couldnt have a conversation in the car when we were driving without her bringing up trump and how horrible he is and how he is going to prison.
    glad i got out of that.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 06, 2020 06:20:08
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: DaiTengu to Utopian Galt on Sat Sep 05 2020 08:49 pm

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Sep 05 2020 09:51 am

    Establishment: C'mon man let's go to war, anywhere, pretty please Trump: No and I'm hiring an Ambassador to Afghanistan who will pull out our troops
    Establishment: TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS AND VETERANS

    Trump on visiting a cemetery filled with fallen American soldiers from WWII

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I think that's even worse than hating them...

    DaiTengu

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    Well, you'd have thought the commander-in-chief should have more class than that.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Sunday, September 06, 2020 08:54:54
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: MRO to Hatton on Sat Sep 05 2020 10:18 pm

    trump derangement syndrome is a real thing and i think it needs more attenti

    we couldnt have a conversation in the car when we were driving without her bringing up trump and how horrible he is and how he is going to prison. glad

    A lot of folks hate Trump the person. The question is do they like Trump the President. The Trump haters have no clue what a President does. They only like someone that talks sweet and agrees with them. They may never do what they ask but as long as they agree with them they love them. Trump pulls no punches like so many politicians do today. He's the real deal and people hate him for it.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, September 06, 2020 10:38:00
    she said trump is a rapist and all other kinds o

    But, in her mind, Clinton and Biden are not?

    glad i got out of that.

    I would be too.


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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to HusTler on Monday, September 07, 2020 00:43:42
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Sep 06 2020 08:54 am

    A lot of folks hate Trump the person. The question is do they like Trump the President. The Trump haters have no clue what a President does. They only like someone that talks sweet and agrees with them. They may never do what they ask but as long as they agree with them they love them. Trump pulls no punches like so many politicians do today. He's the real deal and people hate him for it.

    I have referred to Trump as our first Third Party President. Sure, he's listed as a republican but there are plenty of GOP members that can't stand him and if he was able to make a deal to move things forward with the DNC he would, regardless of platform.

    His background isn't in politics, he's a New York land developer. When you remember that, much of his persona and actions start to make a lot more sense. The fact that he didn't change those once he took office is what makes so many people love him for his "bare knuckle" attitude an so many revile him for his "bully" tactics.

    He reminds me a LOT of Theodore Roosevelt.

    Hatton

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, September 06, 2020 21:54:52
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Sep 06 2020 10:38 am

    she said trump is a rapist and all other kinds o

    But, in her mind, Clinton and Biden are not?

    glad i got out of that.

    I would be too.



    oh she wouldnt even talk about clinton.
    this is a man who bit a woman's face and raped her
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Sunday, September 06, 2020 19:29:00
    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the American
    Left?


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Sunday, September 06, 2020 19:30:00
    A lot of folks hate Trump the person. The question is do they like Trump the
    resident. The Trump haters have no clue what a President does. They only like s
    meone that talks sweet and agrees with them. They may never do what they ask bu
    as long as they agree with them they love them. Trump pulls no punches like so
    many politicians do today. He's the real deal and people hate him for it.

    You have pretty much hit the "difference between Trump and Obama" nail on
    the head.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 07, 2020 09:29:00
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:29 pm

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the American Left?


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    I think I understand the context of what he said, but I still don't
    appreciate it. I don't think he hates the troops, however I don't think he
    has a strong respect for the past.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, September 07, 2020 11:43:31
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 07 2020 09:29 am

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:29 pm

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I
    think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the
    American Left?



    I think I understand the context of what he said, but I still don't appreciate it. I don't think he hates the troops, however I don't think he has a strong respect for the past.


    for one, there is no proof he said that. and if he DID say that, maybe he was in a pissy mood. i say nasty things when i am under incredible stress. thinks about what this guy has been going through his entire presidency. most people cant even handle a portion of what he has handled. i think his venting is what keeps him going.

    regardless, i dont want a president who visits cemetaries and does other dumb shit. i want him to get this country back on track.

    obama fucking ate hamburgers on tv, hugged people, tapdanced, sang and did all kinds of bullshit for the press. he drove this country into a world of shit.

    i want a president who gets things done and so far that is trump.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Hatton on Monday, September 07, 2020 11:12:38
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of Troops
    By: Hatton to HusTler on Mon Sep 07 2020 12:43 am

    I have referred to Trump as our first Third Party President. Sure, he's listed as a republican but there are plenty of GOP members that can't stand him and if he was able to make a deal to move things forward with the DNC he would, regardless of platform.

    He seems dead set on destroying everything the Democrats built over the last 8 years. And he's constantly pushing Republican agendas. This guy is even less 3rd party than Bernie Sanders is.


    His background isn't in politics, he's a New York land developer. When you remember that, much of his persona and actions start to make a lot more sense. The fact that he didn't change those once he took office is what makes so many people love him for his "bare knuckle" attitude an so many revile him for his "bully" tactics.

    He's not reviled for his "bully" tactics. he's reviled for his inability to tell the truth on pretty much anything, and how he only does things if they will benefit him or his family personally.

    He doesn't take the job seriously and he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 07, 2020 11:23:45
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:29 pm

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I
    think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the American Left?

    What are you trying to get at? Are you saying the left doesn't support the troops because people are kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial injustices? Because that seems to be the fake news outrage the right has manufactured to turn a humanitarian problem into a political one.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:05:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    Trump on visiting a cemetery filled with fallen American soldiers from WWII:

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I
    think that's even worse than hating them...

    Already debunked as fake news. The people who were actually there said that he said nothing of the kind.

    But then Lefties never did care for facts and reality.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Monday, September 07, 2020 16:09:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Hatton <=-

    He's not reviled for his "bully" tactics. he's reviled for his
    inability to tell the truth on pretty much anything, and how he only
    does things if they will benefit him or his family personally.

    For the Lefties, "inability to tell the truth" means "doesn't follow the false Leftie Narrative."

    Trump's been far more truthful than nearly every president that I can remember.
    Compare that to the Democrats
    who, seemingly, can't tell the truth if their life depended on it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Monday, September 07, 2020 15:01:03
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: DaiTengu to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 07 2020 11:23 am

    What are you trying to get at? Are you saying the left doesn't support the troops because people are kneeling during the national anthem to protest rac injustices? Because that seems to be the fake news outrage the right has manufactured to turn a humanitarian problem into a political one.

    I don't know what HE is saying, but it does not look to me like left-wingers are in good terms with the armed branches of the US administration at all, so...

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Monday, September 07, 2020 13:01:00
    I think I understand the context of what he said, but I still don't appreciate it. I don't think he hates the troops, however I don't think he has a strong respect for the past.

    I agree he does not have a strong respect for the past, but that seems to
    be par for the course in this country these days, right?

    I have yet to actually hear or see a soundbite of him saying that. I have
    seen it only in print. I have also seen, in print and video, where there are multiple witnesses claiming it was never said (and a few standing by the
    story, too).

    It sounds like something he could have said, but it also sounds like
    something the DNC could have made up to see if it would stick... we are
    getting close to the time of year for the "October surprise" after all.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HATTON on Monday, September 07, 2020 12:57:00
    I have referred to Trump as our first Third Party President. Sure, he's listed >s a republican but there are plenty of GOP members that can't stand him and if >e was able to make a deal to move things forward with the DNC he would, regardl
    ss of platform.

    The DNC does not like third parties, either, so that would explain why they
    got to where they would not work with him any more.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 07, 2020 18:20:35
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Sep 07 2020 01:01 pm

    I think I understand the context of what he said, but I still don't
    appreciate it. I don't think he hates the troops, however I don't
    think he has a strong respect for the past.

    I agree he does not have a strong respect for the past, but that seems to be par for the course in this country these days, right?

    I have yet to actually hear or see a soundbite of him saying that. I have seen it only in print. I have also seen, in print and video, where there are multiple witnesses claiming it was never said (and a few standing by the story, too).

    there's like 8 people who said he didnt say it.

    he probably did say it, but i dont care. he probably has borderline personality disorder and says weird shit when stressed.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 06:45:21
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 07 2020 04:05 pm

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I
    think that's even worse than hating them...

    Already debunked as fake news. The people who were actually there said that he said nothing of the kind.

    Originally reported by The Atlantic, and it's been independently confirmed by both the Associated Press and Fox News.

    Their sources are people who were actually there.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 07:26:48
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 07 2020 04:09 pm

    For the Lefties, "inability to tell the truth" means "doesn't follow the false Leftie Narrative."

    No, he's literally incapable of telling the truth about simple things that are easily verifiable, that have no bearing on politics. For example, he said his father was born in a "very wonderful place in Germany" (His father was born in New York. There's paperwork.)

    He claimed he secured "the first pay raise in over a decade" for our troops and that it was "one of the biggest ever". Troops pay had increased every year prior to that, execpt for in 1983. and pay raises in 2009, 2010, and 2012 were bigger than the one Trump was trying to take credit for...

    Trump has told dozens, if not hundreds of easily fact-checked lies about stupid little things that have no purpose other than to try and make himself look good.

    He's a fucking disgrace.

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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to Arelor on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 09:50:00
    What are you trying to get at? Are you saying the left doesn't support the troops because people are kneeling during the national anthem to protest rac injustices? Because that seems to be the fake news outrage the right has manufactured to turn a humanitarian problem into a political one.

    I don't know what HE is saying, but it does not look to me like left-wingers are in good terms with the armed branches of the US administration at all, so...

    The DNC has never had good relations with the military. They have always been the party of "make love, not war" and consistently call for massive reductions in the armed forces.

    That has nothing to do with sports antics and it's been a fact for a very
    long time. That is a different mixed bag of conversation entirely.

    Hatton

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Hatton on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 13:50:02
    On 9/6/2020 10:43 PM, Hatton wrote:

    I have referred to Trump as our first Third Party President. Sure, he's listed as a republican but there are plenty of GOP members that can't stand him and if he was able to make a deal to move things forward with the DNC he would, regardless of platform.

    His background isn't in politics, he's a New York land developer. When you remember that, much of his persona and actions start to make a lot more sense. The fact that he didn't change those once he took office is what makes so many people love him for his "bare knuckle" attitude an so many revile him for his "bully" tactics.

    He reminds me a LOT of Theodore Roosevelt.

    He's a populist... Theodore Roosevelt wasn't so much. Trump is also
    much more against the establishment than we've seen in a very long time
    in the White House, which is probably why he won in the first place.
    Clinton was the ultimate insider and Trump, the ultimate outsider.

    I think that Trump has softened a bit, and fallen into a few pitholes
    when it comes to the executive branch though. I don't like some of the
    policy changes regarding the EPA, and really don't like the director of
    the FCC.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 14:25:00
    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I
    think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the American Left?

    What are you trying to get at? Are you saying the left doesn't support the
    roo
    ps because people are kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial
    nj
    stices? Because that seems to be the fake news outrage the right has
    anufactur
    d to turn a humanitarian problem into a political one.

    I am saying that the only people I know that don't support the troops are
    all members of the American Left. Not saying they all don't. Also saying that what was allegedly said was delivered by media associated with the American Left. I have seen nor heard any soundbites that prove it was said. I have seen several who were involved in the decision not to go that have said it
    was an outright untruth... that the decision was based soley on the weather
    and the advice of his handlers.

    Sounds like fake news.

    I didn't say anything about whatever else you listed, and are apparently
    easily triggered about, above.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 00:03:00
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Sep 07 2020 11:43 am

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 07 2020 09:29 am

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Sun Sep 06 2020 07:29 pm

    "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers."

    He also said they were "suckers" for getting killed.

    Trump may not hate the troops, but he has no respect for them, and I >> think that's even worse than hating them...

    So, what you are saying is that he was trying to appeal to the
    American Left?



    I think I understand the context of what he said, but I still don't appreciate it. I don't think he hates the troops, however I don't think has a strong respect for the past.


    for one, there is no proof he said that. and if he DID say that, maybe he w a portion of what he has handled. i think his venting is what keeps him goi

    regardless, i dont want a president who visits cemetaries and does other dum

    obama fucking ate hamburgers on tv, hugged people, tapdanced, sang and did a

    i want a president who gets things done and so far that is trump.

    No one is stepping up to say he actually said anything about the troops. On several occasions he called John McCain a loser, however McCain was not known to be a pleasant character. In the Navy his nickname was McNasty. There is a lso a social stigma where it is politically incorrect to say anything bad
    about anyone in the military at the individual level. Some generals were assholes and everyone under thier command will say that. I worked with a
    bunch of knuckleheads who were vets, and I knew several vets that were great
    to work with. I think people foget the armed forces consist of a cross
    section of our society.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:24:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Originally reported by The Atlantic, and it's been independently confirmed by both the Associated Press and Fox News.

    Their sources are people who were actually there.

    Then why does everyone who was actually there deny Trump saying anything like that? Even hostiles like Bolton say that Trump didn't say anything like that.

    1. Anonymous sources say -> Atlantic reports.
    2. Fox news: Yes, the anonymous sources say that.
    3. Associated Press: Yes, the anonymous sources say that.

    The usual Leftie "journalism".


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:25:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    No, he's literally incapable of telling the truth about simple things that are easily verifiable, that have no bearing on politics.

    I think you are confusing Biden with Trump.

    He's a fucking disgrace.

    Yup. Definitely confusing Biden with Trump.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:32:00
    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    On several occasions he called John McCain a loser, however
    McCain was not known to be a pleasant character. In the Navy his
    nickname was McNasty.

    McCain several times tried to push through bills that were blatently unconstitutional - like the Communications "Decency" Act. Even after the courts told him they were unconstitutional he still pushed them.

    IHMO: That makes McCain a traitor. Trump was right on calling him a "loser."


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:14:24
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:24 am

    Originally reported by The Atlantic, and it's been independently
    confirmed by both the Associated Press and Fox News.

    Their sources are people who were actually there.

    Then why does everyone who was actually there deny Trump saying anything like that? Even hostiles like Bolton say that Trump didn't say anything like that.

    the left is scrambling and scared as hell haha, they will lie and spread any false rumors.
    look at Schiff and all his blatent lies during impeachment HOAX.
    the left is scared to death.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:20:02
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:25 am

    No, he's literally incapable of telling the truth about simple
    things that are easily verifiable, that have no bearing on politics.

    Trump always says stuff to bait the press, then later he is proven right almost every time.
    Sleepy Joe and Kamala Ho are the two worst the Dems could have picked.

    I think you are confusing Biden with Trump.

    He has his blue Dem colored glasses on, Dems can't see truth.

    He's a fucking disgrace.

    No, you people on the far left are fucking idiots.

    Yup. Definitely confusing Biden with Trump.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 10:57:52
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Tue Sep 08 2020 02:25 pm

    I am saying that the only people I know that don't support the troops are all members of the American Left.

    Must be some asshats you know personally then. Fuck those people.





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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:14:55
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:25 am

    No, he's literally incapable of telling the truth about simple
    things that are easily verifiable, that have no bearing on politics.

    I think you are confusing Biden with Trump.

    Standard rightie smear-campaign. blame the other guy for your guy's problems.


    He's a fucking disgrace.

    Yup. Definitely confusing Biden with Trump.

    Yep, definitely deflecting.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:16:46
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:32 am

    McCain several times tried to push through bills that were blatently unconstitutional - like the Communications "Decency" Act. Even after the courts told him they were unconstitutional he still pushed them.

    IHMO: That makes McCain a traitor. Trump was right on calling him a "loser."

    So does that make Trump a loser for signing executive orders that were ruled "unconstitutional" by the courts, even after he was warned about them?

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 16:37:40
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Roadhog to Dr. What on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:20 am

    No, he's literally incapable of telling the truth about simple
    things that are easily verifiable, that have no bearing on
    politics.

    Trump always says stuff to bait the press, then later he is proven right almost every time.
    Sleepy Joe and Kamala Ho are the two worst the Dems could have picked.

    Worse than Hillary?

    I can't think of a time Trump has ever been "proven right" about anything he's lied about.



    He's a fucking disgrace.

    No, you people on the far left are fucking idiots.

    The problem is that this country has swung so far right that moderates are now considered "far left" Even GWB could be considered "liberal" now.

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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to DaiTengu on Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:19:09
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: DaiTengu to Roadhog on Wed Sep 09 2020 04:37 pm

    The problem is that this country has swung so far right that moderates are now considered "far left" Even GWB could be considered "liberal" now.

    Going to have to disagree with you on this one. What has come out are people on the further polarized sides - those that are more conservative and more liberal - as well as (and I list these as an additional group, not further defining) people adopting far more radical views.

    Add to that a personalization of politics, a 24/7 news cycle and social media and you get a much more divisive view of the American political landscape.

    What has happened today is those more radical elements have taken a much stronger leadership role in the DNC. On issues like abortion recent legislation has codified the ability to have an abortion as late as 32 to 36 weeks.

    As recently as last week you have California changing their criminal statutes regarding same-sex sexual acts between a minor and someone not more than 10 years older - so, say a 24 and 14 year old.

    In the midst of all of this there is still a "middle" and truthfully it isn't shrinking as much as you might think. The megaphones just make it difficult to talk over.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Thursday, September 10, 2020 15:12:46
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: DaiTengu to Roadhog on Wed Sep 09 2020 04:37 pm

    The problem is that this country has swung so far right that moderates are considered "far left" Even GWB could be considered "liberal" now.


    It is hard not to become polarized when some left-wing radicals show up and set your store on fire, with the unofficial blessing of some politician and the media.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Thursday, September 10, 2020 16:14:00
    I am saying that the only people I know that don't support the troops are >DW> all members of the American Left.

    Must be some asshats you know personally then. Fuck those people.

    Yes on both counts. It is nice to agree on some things some times, isn't
    it. <GRIN>


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, September 10, 2020 18:16:19
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 09 2020 12:03 am


    No one is stepping up to say he actually said anything about the troops. On several occasions he called John McCain a loser, however McCain was not known to be a pleasant character. In the Navy his nickname was McNasty. There is a lso a social stigma where it is politically incorrect to say anything bad about anyone in the military at the individual level. Some generals were assholes and everyone under thier command will say that. I

    mccain was known to have a huge hothead temper.
    like how they are scared of what biden might say, back in the day
    they were worried someone would piss off mccain and set him off. i was reading about it years ago in my barbershop. i cant remember what the person said but they really got his goat and he turned red with anger but it was at the end of the ralley and they pulled him out.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thursday, September 10, 2020 18:24:52
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:32 am

    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    On several occasions he called John McCain a loser, however
    McCain was not known to be a pleasant character. In the Navy his
    nickname was McNasty.

    McCain several times tried to push through bills that were blatently unconstitutional - like the Communications "Decency" Act. Even after the courts told him they were unconstitutional he still pushed them.

    IHMO: That makes McCain a traitor. Trump was right on calling him a "loser."


    mccain was a privileged punk who was the son and grandson of innovative military heros. he pretty much rode on their coat tails through his entire life. they kept him out of trouble and gave him huge opportunities.

    the military were going to make him an admiral for nothing.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Thursday, September 10, 2020 16:09:47
    On 9/9/2020 2:37 PM, DaiTengu wrote:

    The problem is that this country has swung so far right that moderates are now considered "far left" Even GWB could be considered "liberal" now.
    Really... 100 nights of riots, demanding to dismantle police forces, and pushes for Marxism, and your take away is the center has pushed so far
    to the right?

    GWB was a centrist, despite speaches for "the base," he was largely a centrist, establishment crony. Much like Obama after him.

    Trump is a totally narcassistic, childish asshole in so many ways. But
    he's not really a conservative, he's a populist through and through.
    He'd be my preference over Biden or Hillary mostly because I agree with
    about 2/3 of hist policy actions vs. me agreeing with less than 1/3 of
    current Democrat policy trends.

    I'm a pragmatic Libertarion, if I had my choices, it wouldn't be either.
    I didn't vote for Trump, I didn't vote for Obama either. In the end
    it really depends on specifics of policy action.

    I do find it funny that Trump was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for succeeding on implementing many of Obama's campaign promises. 2
    historic treaties in the middle east, a troop reduction plan as well as
    the first president since Carter not to create new military conflict zones.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Hatton on Thursday, September 10, 2020 16:12:30
    On 9/10/2020 10:19 AM, Hatton wrote:
    The problem is that this country has swung so far right that moderates are >> now considered "far left" Even GWB could be considered "liberal" now.

    Going to have to disagree with you on this one. What has come out are people on the further polarized sides - those that are more conservative and more liberal - as well as (and I list these as an additional group, not further defining) people adopting far more radical views.

    The US has a roughtly 8% population of "Far Left" largely embraced by
    the Democrat party.

    The US has a roughly 4-5% population of what is labelled as "Far Right"
    or actual fascist leaning, largely rejected by the Republican party.

    That's the real difference. Roughly twice as many far left (Marxist
    leaning) that are embraced by one party, as the other extreme which
    really aren't embraced by the opposing party.

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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to Tracker1 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 22:13:00
    Tracker1 wrote to Hatton <=-

    The US has a roughtly 8% population of "Far Left" largely embraced by
    the Democrat party.

    The US has a roughly 4-5% population of what is labelled as "Far Right"
    or actual fascist leaning, largely rejected by the Republican party.

    That's the real difference. Roughly twice as many far left (Marxist leaning) that are embraced by one party, as the other extreme which
    really aren't embraced by the opposing party.

    Absolutely agreed though I wasn't sure on the percentages I knew it was
    slim. Embraced is a good word for it as well. Platform planks that carry
    names difficult to challenge like "Single Payer Healthcare", "Women's Reproductive Health", "Cashless Bail", "The New Green Deal" and others.

    The ability to have a reasoned conversation where you disagree on anything
    is completely gone right now as well. I've had what I call the "Theory
    of Five" concept when it comes to political conversations... within 5
    complete round-trip exchanges, 5 comments or 5 shares/reposts any thread
    about politics will begin to pick up personal attacks on either the
    orginal poster or one of the other participants.

    Sadly that theory is proven right many more times than wrong.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Saturday, September 12, 2020 15:03:00
    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Thu Sep 10 2020 06:24 pm

    Re: Foreign Policy and Use of
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:32 am

    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    On several occasions he called John McCain a loser, however
    McCain was not known to be a pleasant character. In the Navy his
    nickname was McNasty.

    McCain several times tried to push through bills that were blatently unconstitutional - like the Communications "Decency" Act. Even after th courts told him they were unconstitutional he still pushed them.

    IHMO: That makes McCain a traitor. Trump was right on calling him a "loser."


    mccain was a privileged punk who was the son and grandson of innovative mili

    the military were going to make him an admiral for nothing.

    McCain could've sat out the entire war and stayed in his role as a flight instructor. In Steven Coonts book The Cannibal Queen he made reference to
    the Navy Blue Angels being important for recruitment, so they weren't rotated into combat units umless they volunterred. Why would a pilot in an elite aero batic team wish to leave the poshy life to do a tour on an oily ship?
    Medals. The pilots coming back had loads of shiny service awards and tour badges, and that made them feel like a lesser man. Coonts said you can tell
    if a pilot was a Blue Angel by the way they carriend themself, plus their
    boots were polished and their flight suits weren't saturated and stained by hydraulic fluid. He recalled a story about one pilot who tried to make
    several passes over an anti-aircraft gun versus flying in low and fast, pickling off all his bombs at once. By the third flyby the NVA figured his approach angle out and weren't taking prisoners that day. The NVA were not entertained by his impromptu airshow.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Roadhog on Sunday, September 13, 2020 09:54:00
    Roadhog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    the left is scrambling and scared as hell haha, they will lie and
    spread any false rumors.
    look at Schiff and all his blatent lies during impeachment HOAX.
    the left is scared to death.

    Mainly because they know that if they don't hold power, they will be held accountable for their crimes (many of which the public is completely ignorant of).

    I'm still waiting for Ghislaine Maxwell to "commit suicide".


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 13, 2020 09:56:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    So does that make Trump a loser for signing executive orders that were ruled "unconstitutional" by the courts, even after he was warned about them?

    To the best of my knowledge, Trump didn't just write another executive order just like the one that was unconstitutional.

    McCain did. Several times. And they were unconstitution by violating the first amendment - pretty clearly so.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sunday, September 13, 2020 09:56:00
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    mccain was a privileged punk who was the son and grandson of innovative military heros. he pretty much rode on their coat tails through his entire life. they kept him out of trouble and gave him huge
    opportunities.

    the military were going to make him an admiral for nothing.

    Could have been worse. He could have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize for maybe doing something in the future.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:01:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Standard rightie smear-campaign. blame the other guy for your guy's problems.

    Oh, like the Democrats keep doing.

    Last I heard, the major failures in this country have been happening in states and cities that have been under Democrat control for a long, long time.

    Yep, definitely deflecting.

    Deflection is a Leftie tactic.


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