• Why did Putin blow up his own pipeline?

    From Bitrot@VERT to All on Monday, October 31, 2022 14:22:33
    Seems very far-fetched. A great deal can be said about Putin, but that he is stupid, is not one of them. Blowing up his own infrastructure seems very counter productive.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bitrot on Monday, October 31, 2022 18:17:20
    Re: Why did Putin blow up his own pipeline?
    By: Bitrot to All on Mon Oct 31 2022 02:22 pm

    Seems very far-fetched. A great deal can be said about Putin, but that he is stupid, is not one of them. Blowing up his own infrastructure seems very counter productive.

    the uk did it. their insecure iphone communication was intercepted.
    "it is done"
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 16:17:00
    Seems very far-fetched. A great deal can be said about Putin, but that he i
    stupid, is not one of them. Blowing up his own infrastructure seems very counter productive.

    the uk did it. their insecure iphone communication was intercepted.
    "it is done"

    Makes you wonder why they'd do it... to drive up the price of oil?


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Bitrot on Friday, November 04, 2022 10:40:58
    Re: Why did Putin blow up his own pipeline?
    By: Bitrot to All on Mon Oct 31 2022 02:22 pm

    Seems very far-fetched. A great deal can be said about Putin, but that he is stupid, is not one of them. Blowing up his own infrastructure seems very counter productive.

    Putin has been trying to pull a false-flag operation of one kind or another for a long time. At first, it was an attempt to convince the world that "Ukraine attacked first". The US did something it hardly ever does, it found out via intel, and released that to the public (probably one of the smarter things the CIA has done over the last 20 years or so). Then, as his invasion of Ukraine dragged on, and it was apparent he wasn't going to just steamroll over the entire country, he started to claiming Ukraine was planning on setting off a "dirty bomb", which seems like a pretty transparent attempt to place blame for a nuclear false-flag operation, so that Putin had reason to just nuke the hell out of Ukraine to get the conflict over with.

    Sabotaging a pipeline that delivered gas to the EU, who has sanctioned the fuck out of Russia, and is actively supporting Ukraine with both funds and hardware, then attempting to blame it on one of those opposing nations is par for the course for Putin.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Friday, November 04, 2022 16:58:00
    Sabotaging a pipeline that delivered gas to the EU, who has sanctioned the fuc
    out of Russia, and is actively supporting Ukraine with both funds and hardware
    then attempting to blame it on one of those opposing nations is par for the co
    se for Putin.

    It would certainly make more sense than a European nation, who needs the
    gas, doing it.


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  • From Ciffi@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Saturday, November 05, 2022 05:56:47
    Re: Why did Putin blow up his
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Fri Nov 04 2022 04:58 pm

    The Biden administration clearly said some months ago, that they will take care of North Stream 2 when russia goes further into Ukraine.

    As part of the NATO war games involving many war (freedom) ships from all nations, and also US ships of course in the sea below Norway it would have been an easy thing to plant some explosives to parts of the pipeline North Stream 1 AND 2 without anybody taking further notice, as the "practices" all were laid out in combat simulation plans.

    On top of this the US government recently said, that they do not wish further investigation on the pipeline incident.

    What else do we need to clearly see who's taking profit of such an action?
    Uh right.. the US is selling fracking gas to the EU, so besides their political interest, there is also monetary interest. - And of course it's always a good thing to make it's allies depend on oneself to bind their interests to the US ones.

    Russia and their interest is NOT not to sell stuff to the EU. They depend on the income. So why would they blow up their money source?
    German government said themselves that they do not want to take russian gas, even though Russia was still supplying gas throuth North Stream 1.

    Now that the germans are no longer buying russian gas (and nowdays even can not do so, even if they wish to), the russians sell their stuff to other countries. Like for instance China and India.
    It needs to be said here especially that the US government "asked" the german government NOT to make use of the (back then) finished and ready-to-use North Stream 2 pipeline.
    Of course the germans were US-friendly (and dependend) enough to do exactly that: By no means get the cheap gas through North Stream 2 (even though building that thing costed billions..).
    Instead the german government came to the conclusion to buy gas from numerous sources... including China and India.

    Germany had long-lasting contracts with RU and also special conditions.
    Now with these new customers (China and India) the russian side is selling their gas for more profit to these new customers.. and in the end Russia even GAINS compared to before!
    So.. as usual german politicial thinking did exactly the opposite what it was supposed to do.. and Russia is now making better profit than ever before.
    The german government is now getting gas from China and India, because it is not russian gas, as they say.... but it is the same stuff, they bought from russia before.
    Apparently it's good enough to buy russian gas from our friends and not from Russia directly.
    As a side note... of course when resellers are in between, they add their price on top... so Germany did not do anybody any good... not even themselves.

    Nobody knows why Germany is so self-destroyingly depending on the US.
    And german people (as usual) only talk, but never do anything... bowing to the government. Let's hope history will not repeat.. : (

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to CIFFI on Saturday, November 05, 2022 10:35:00
    What else do we need to clearly see who's taking profit of such an action?
    Uh right.. the US is selling fracking gas to the EU, so besides their politica
    interest, there is also monetary interest. - And of course it's always a good thing to make it's allies depend on oneself to bind their interests to the US ones.

    I cannot disagree with this theory.

    Russia and their interest is NOT not to sell stuff to the EU. They depend on the income. So why would they blow up their money source?

    I partially agree with this also, but why would a European government (as
    some have suggested) blow it up? They were depending on that Russian gas,
    even if they say they didn't want it, and removing it drives the prices way
    up and hurts their economy.

    Whoever did it, unless it was the US, put themselves in a bad position.

    Nobody knows why Germany is so self-destroyingly depending on the US.
    And german people (as usual) only talk, but never do anything... bowing to the
    government. Let's hope history will not repeat.. : (

    Yes, one wonders why and hope it does not repeat.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Saturday, November 05, 2022 15:28:02
    Re: Why did Putin blow up his
    By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Fri Nov 04 2022 04:58 pm

    Sabotaging a pipeline that delivered gas to the EU, who has sanctioned the fuc
    out of Russia, and is actively supporting Ukraine with both funds and hardware
    then attempting to blame it on one of those opposing nations is par for the co
    se for Putin.

    It would certainly make more sense than a European nation, who needs the gas, doing it.



    Basically in the last 2 years all of your goverments have shown that they have no issue with their people suffering and spending. The govts have their goals and they must be met.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, November 06, 2022 08:51:00
    Sabotaging a pipeline that delivered gas to the EU, who has sanctioned th
    fuc
    out of Russia, and is actively supporting Ukraine with both funds and hardware
    then attempting to blame it on one of those opposing nations is par for the co
    se for Putin.
    It would certainly make more sense than a European nation, who needs the gas, doing it.

    Basically in the last 2 years all of your goverments have shown that they have
    o issue with their people suffering and spending. The govts have their goals d they must be met.

    Not saying your statement is wrong, but remember that my government is the
    same as yours. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, November 06, 2022 15:14:32
    Re: Why did Putin blow up his
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 06 2022 08:51 am


    Basically in the last 2 years all of your goverments have shown that they have
    o issue with their people suffering and spending. The govts have their goals d they must be met.

    Not saying your statement is wrong, but remember that my government is the same as yours. :)


    i'm saying all of our govts have shown that they will do whatever at any cost to the people.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, November 07, 2022 16:27:00
    Not saying your statement is wrong, but remember that my government is the same as yours. :)


    i'm saying all of our govts have shown that they will do whatever at any cost
    the people.

    And I am saying I don't think your statement is incorrect. Ours has shown
    it at various times throughout its 200+ year existence.


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