• Up, Up, and away, in my..

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ALL on Friday, February 03, 2023 15:59:00
    ...beautiful, my beautiful... Chinese Spy Balloon!!!

    So this morning I am watching the local news (NBC affiliate), and they
    mention that a UFO was sighted over Montana and US officials had determined
    it was a spy balloon, likely from China. Apparently it wafted across the US-Canadian border sometime mid-week.

    They also said that the decision on what to do about it went all the way up
    to President Biden, who said we couldn't shoot it down because it might "fall and hurt someone."

    Now, Montana is a very large and very sparsely populated state. Some of
    the states it would have had to have crossed through to get to its current position (apparently over Kansas City, MO) are also very sparsely
    populated. Plenty of opportunity to shoot it down and have it likely not
    fall on anything, except a corn field or a former government missle silo
    site.

    Now that they've waited until it is over more populated areas, they are going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf
    or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

    So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the
    Chinese government something to look at. :(

    Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
    before 9/11.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Friday, February 03, 2023 17:08:59
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Fri Feb 03 2023 03:59 pm

    going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf
    or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

    So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(

    Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
    before 9/11.


    exactly. very pathetic.

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Friday, February 03, 2023 21:20:00
    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf
    or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

    So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(

    Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
    before 9/11.

    exactly. very pathetic.
    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Friday, February 03, 2023 22:30:36
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 04, 2023 03:15:00
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Fri Feb 03 2023 03:59 pm

    ...beautiful, my beautiful... Chinese Spy Balloon!!!

    So this morning I am watching the local news (NBC affiliate), and they mention that a UFO was sighted over Montana and US officials had determined it was a spy balloon, likely from China. Apparently it wafted across the US-Canadian border sometime mid-week.

    They also said that the decision on what to do about it went all the way up to President Biden, who said we couldn't shoot it down because it might "fal and hurt someone."

    Now, Montana is a very large and very sparsely populated state. Some of
    the states it would have had to have crossed through to get to its current position (apparently over Kansas City, MO) are also very sparsely
    populated. Plenty of opportunity to shoot it down and have it likely not fall on anything, except a corn field or a former government missle silo site.

    Now that they've waited until it is over more populated areas, they are goin to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulf or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

    So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(

    Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right
    before 9/11.


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    I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Saturday, February 04, 2023 09:35:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

    You'd think they would, but maybe they've had a rush on these lately,
    with all the folks wanting to be the hero who takes this thing down.

    I think it's pretty hard to find one with the Piercer accessory, though.
    ;-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Saturday, February 04, 2023 14:36:25
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 04 2023 03:15 am


    I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.

    maybe it's a way to test us. we showed them that we let it cross the entire united states until shooting it down on the east coast when it was finished.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Saturday, February 04, 2023 12:13:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches Gulf
    or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

    So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(

    Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right before 9/11.

    exactly. very pathetic.
    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.



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    Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding operation range.
    hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
    20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously. And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he kept his flight plan to
    lower altitudes and lower speeds. In stead of making a mach 4 missile he
    made a WWII style pulse jet similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, February 04, 2023 12:20:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

    Nightfox

    Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. The gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Saturday, February 04, 2023 10:13:00
    I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.

    If you are able to fly balloons over your target, and nothing happens, why waste money to launch a satellite? I have heard the weather balloon claim
    as well as that it might have been launched by a non-government entity but, yeah, no one believes that.

    There are supposedly now two of them.

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in.
    Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only
    exposed because civilians noticed it this time.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Saturday, February 04, 2023 10:58:00
    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it
    down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby
    equipment. :D


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Saturday, February 04, 2023 16:22:10
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2023 12:20 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.


    oh i see my buddy gamgee who i block is replying to me.
    I'm sure the govt has drones that can fly that high. also the altitude
    from the balloon was changing. the govt certainly has unmanned aircraft that can intercept a balloon the size of 3 school buses.

    BALLOON SO HARD! SO HARD TO GET BALLOON!

    i can tell you voted for biden, gamgee.

    Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. The gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.

    people could see the huge balloon. it was also somewhat manuverable.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 04, 2023 16:25:57
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:58 am

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D


    honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
    just for laughs.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Saturday, February 04, 2023 20:08:00
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    exactly. very pathetic.
    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
    operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
    don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
    20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
    a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
    taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
    technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
    with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
    And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was
    restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
    Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
    kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
    stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
    similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
    fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object
    avoidance, fly below radar.)

    Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under
    discussion..., but still cool.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, February 05, 2023 09:57:00
    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D

    honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
    just for laughs.

    If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, it would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise me
    if he doesn't figure out how to do it.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Sunday, February 05, 2023 10:03:00
    Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under
    discussion..., but still cool.

    Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how I think
    we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 05, 2023 11:14:09
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 09:57 am

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D

    honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
    just for laughs.

    If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, it would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise me if he doesn't figure out how to do it.


    it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's not impossible to take down.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 05, 2023 13:30:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.

    Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how
    I think we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.

    Yes, maybe that was the angle. I thought it was more about how to get a non-government aircraft/device up to the balloon, which was at 60,000+
    feet of altitude. There aren't many (any?) planes that can fly that
    high, and the original "idea" was to use a "drone"... ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sunday, February 05, 2023 13:33:00
    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D

    honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
    just for laughs.

    If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, it would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise me if he doesn't figure out how to do it.

    it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt
    actions, it's not impossible to take down.

    Again I ask - what hobby/non-govt equipment can get up to 60000+ feet,
    and then take it down?



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, February 05, 2023 11:25:00
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 02:36 pm

    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 04 2023 03:15 am


    I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countri It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they clai it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.

    maybe it's a way to test us. we showed them that we let it cross the entire

    It's route was over a bunch of sites they could easily keep track of with satellite. A ballon would take weeks to get here over the North Pole and Canada so if they wanted to catch or observe something special, they would
    have to have ample time to know what and where to look for. It was left up there to draw attention to the antics of the Chinese government. Any signals that came from it could've been captured and decrypted by the CIA.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 05, 2023 12:01:00
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:13 am

    I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countrie It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satell surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.

    If you are able to fly balloons over your target, and nothing happens, why waste money to launch a satellite? I have heard the weather balloon claim as well as that it might have been launched by a non-government entity but, yeah, no one believes that.

    There are supposedly now two of them.

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.


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    The satellites already exist. The idea behind drones and recon aircraft is
    to view events in real time. That is what is screwy behind using a balloon.
    It takes days if not weeks to float a ballon over the North Pole , and it's path is victim to the weather patterns. You would have to know of an event well before floating a ballon with intent to capture something you couldn't observe using satellite.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 05, 2023 12:03:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:58 am

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D


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    The ballon flew at 66,000 feet. Off the shelf GPS modules do not operate at speeds over 1000 knots and altitudes over 60,000 feet. You need a fighter
    jet or a missile to intercept it.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, February 05, 2023 12:06:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 04:22 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2023 12:20 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.


    oh i see my buddy gamgee who i block is replying to me.
    I'm sure the govt has drones that can fly that high. also the altitude
    from the balloon was changing. the govt certainly has unmanned aircraft tha

    BALLOON SO HARD! SO HARD TO GET BALLOON!

    i can tell you voted for biden, gamgee.

    Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. Th gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.

    people could see the huge balloon. it was also somewhat manuverable.

    It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 feet a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would have
    operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipment

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Sunday, February 05, 2023 12:12:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 08:08 pm

    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    exactly. very pathetic.
    too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

    Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

    Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

    Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
    operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
    don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
    20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
    a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
    taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
    technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
    with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
    And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
    Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
    kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
    stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
    similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
    fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object avoidance, fly below radar.)

    Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.



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    If a civillian wanted build a missile to shoot something like that down, it would have to travel at speeds less than 1000 knots and be guided in some
    other way than GPS over 60,000 feet. 20 years ago a cruise missile could be made ofr $15,000. I imagine one could made for under $10k

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, February 05, 2023 17:57:06
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 11:25 am

    It's route was over a bunch of sites they could easily keep track of with satellite. A ballon would take weeks to get here over the North Pole and Canada so if they wanted to catch or observe something special, they would have to have ample time to know what and where to look for. It was left up there to draw attention to the antics of the Chinese government. Any signals that came from it could've been captured and decrypted by the CIA.

    This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhaps
    the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, February 05, 2023 18:04:50
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 12:06 pm

    It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 feet a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would have operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipment

    that's what we were told one time. this is not a normal balloon and it's possible for them to change the altitude apparently. they just can't go against the wind.

    if they wanted high-res imagery they could control the balloon and forced it to decend and then raise up. In this case, they would have better data than sattelite.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, February 05, 2023 16:53:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 05 2023 11:14 am

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 09:57 am

    It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot brin it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobb equipment. :D

    honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.
    just for laughs.

    If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, i would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise m if he doesn't figure out how to do it.


    it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's no

    The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studied it
    a bunch while it wass trasmitting

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, February 05, 2023 22:03:36
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 04:53 pm


    it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's no

    The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studied it
    a bunch while it wass trasmitting

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Monday, February 06, 2023 09:46:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:04 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 12:06 pm

    It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 f a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would have operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipment

    that's what we were told one time. this is not a normal balloon and it's po

    if they wanted high-res imagery they could control the balloon and forced it

    It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, it will fly at one height.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, February 06, 2023 16:24:00
    This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhaps
    the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.

    Where have they said it was manuverable? The path it took from China, over Alaska, Canada, and the rest of the US follows the typical path of the jet stream. It did not really deviate that much, if at all.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, February 06, 2023 16:06:30
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 09:46 am


    It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, it will fly at one height.

    no it wasnt. information the chinese eluded to is that the balloon was somewhat manuverable.

    and it was not a plain old balloon. it was fucking huge.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Monday, February 06, 2023 17:49:49
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 04:24 pm

    This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhaps
    the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.

    Where have they said it was manuverable? The path it took from China, over Alaska, Canada, and the rest of the US follows the typical path of the jet stream. It did not really deviate that much, if at all.


    it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.

    here is what came up with one google search https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/

    February 3, 2023 Suspected Chinese spy balloon flies ... - CNNhttps://www.cnn.com > politics > live-news > suspected-ch...
    3 days ago - Suspected surveillance balloon is maneuverable, according to Pentagon press secretary. From CNN's Haley Britzky

    What is the suspected Chinese spy balloon flying over ...https://nypost.com > 2023/02/03 > what-is-the-suspecte...
    3 days ago - The balloon is "maneuverable" and is capable of changing course, Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder revealed at a Pentagon press briefing Friday ...
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Monday, February 06, 2023 18:08:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Feb 05 2023 10:03 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 04:53 pm


    it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, i no

    The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studie it
    a bunch while it wass trasmitting

    that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In
    some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 07:39:00
    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In
    Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
    methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
    sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?



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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to Gamgee on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 07:57:00
    On 07 Feb 2023, Gamgee said the following...

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?



    They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 06:29:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.

    3 times while Trump was president, apparently.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 14:56:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Feb 06 2023 04:06 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 09:46 am


    It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, will fly at one height.

    no it wasnt. information the chinese eluded to is that the balloon was somew

    and it was not a plain old balloon. it was fucking huge.

    It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayed at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across the US,
    it was travelling passively along the jet stream currents.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 15:03:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:39 am

    Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

    that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
    methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
    sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?



    ... All the easy problems have been solved.

    Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers
    and passers by several hundred yards from the device being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys NODS with magnification
    recording video, they would also require a clear line of sight to see what
    the EOD guys are doing.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 16:25:00
    it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.

    I knew that. It did have what looked like solar panels but maybe they were/were also sails that could be moved to cause it to change its course somewhat.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 16:37:00
    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
    methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
    sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 19:39:31
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.

    3 times while Trump was president, apparently.

    I just saw an article saying that was wrong and they retracted it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 19:41:02
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:56 pm

    It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayed at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across the US,

    they said it was around 50k in some locations.
    also pentagon and other sources said its maneuverable.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 19:47:30
    Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 04:25 pm

    it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.

    I knew that. It did have what looked like solar panels but maybe they were/were also sails that could be moved to cause it to change its course somewhat.


    if it's imaging areas it probably had the ability to adjust vertically, as well.

    i just looked it up and this balloon was 200feet in height and was carring around 2,000lbs of payload

    Then they waited until it got 6 miles off our coast to shoot it down.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to IB Joe on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 18:12:15
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: IB Joe to Gamgee on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:57 am

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!

    There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and that the US Military still takes orders from him.

    So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 18:13:50
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 am

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted
    in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it
    was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.

    3 times while Trump was president, apparently.

    And apparently they didn't realize it until well after the balloon had left our airspace.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 18:51:00
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
    methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
    sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
    being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
    NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
    a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.

    But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight).
    What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that
    they do things after dark to avoid being observed.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 18:55:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
    methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
    sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

    Indeed.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Tuesday, February 07, 2023 22:34:43
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:13 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 am

    The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted
    in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it
    was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.

    3 times while Trump was president, apparently.

    And apparently they didn't realize it until well after the balloon had left our airspace.

    DaiTengu


    i dunno. do you really think that's so? it's not just the govt that could catch something like that. it's airports and civilians that could catch it also.

    i guess in the past they flew over small areas.
    the media that is getting a boner about trump bashing is bloomberg and other trump haters.

    i dont think we ever had a godzilla balloon just map an entire stretch from coast to coast before.
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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to DaiTengu on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 08:01:00
    On 07 Feb 2023, DaiTengu said the following...

    There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and
    that the US Military still takes orders from him.

    So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

    No... we need 4 years of Joe Biden to use as a foil for Trump's presidency... Trump as on record saying he wanted every nut and bolt out of that country before the military were to pull out.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 08:45:42
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Tue Feb 07 2023 10:34 pm

    i dunno. do you really think that's so? it's not just the govt that could catch something like that. it's airports and civilians that could catch it also.

    Yeah, there are a ton of pictures from this baloon. there's even home video of an F-22 firing a missile at it.

    Maybe the previous balloons were much smaller?

    i guess in the past they flew over small areas.
    the media that is getting a boner about trump bashing is bloomberg and other trump haters.

    Pretty sure I heard about it on BBC World News, which doesn't have much of a dog in the "bash Trump for more viewers" race.

    i dont think we ever had a godzilla balloon just map an entire stretch from coast to coast before.

    All China had to do was ask someone, and they would have pointed them to Google Maps. This could all have been avoided.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 14:41:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Feb 07 2023 04:37 pm

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 14:44:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:41 pm

    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:56 pm

    It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon staye at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across th US,

    they said it was around 50k in some locations.
    also pentagon and other sources said its maneuverable.

    It might've steerable by some means. Like any ship in the wind that ability
    to steer would be limited

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 14:49:00
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:51 pm

    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our air

    Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.

    Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

    Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
    being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
    NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
    a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.

    But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight). What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that
    they do things after dark to avoid being observed.



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    It' smore obvious they are not casual observers if they are wearing night vision or obvious camera equipment. They will have to position themselves in
    a way to get a good picture or line of sight, exposing their intentions.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 16:26:00
    if it's imaging areas it probably had the ability to adjust vertically, as
    el

    If it was carrying a supply of helium, so that it could let some out and
    then reinflate, it could have.

    i just looked it up and this balloon was 200feet in height and was carring
    ro
    d 2,000lbs of payload

    It was huge to be spotted by citizens when it was so high up.

    Then they waited until it got 6 miles off our coast to shoot it down.

    Yep!


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Wednesday, February 08, 2023 16:28:00
    There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and that
    he
    S Military still takes orders from him.

    There are? I have not heard that one. I did hear about the conspiracty
    theory that Trump and one (and only one!) Supreme Court Justice were going
    to pull some shennanigans and get him reinstated. That is not a right-wing theory, but a theory believed by those who are afraid it might happen.

    So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

    Nope.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Thursday, February 09, 2023 06:47:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

    You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
    signed before he left?



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 09, 2023 13:02:18
    Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 09 2023 06:47 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

    You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
    signed before he left?

    no because of biden leaving equipment and people there.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Friday, February 10, 2023 16:06:00
    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

    You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
    signed before he left?

    If you take over for someone, don't listen to those advising you and then half-ass the job, you can blame you predecessor but that doesn't make it
    their fault.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Friday, February 10, 2023 16:36:00
    If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

    You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
    signed before he left?

    no because of biden leaving equipment and people there.

    That, too.


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