• Halt and Catch Fire

    From Kaelon@VERT to All on Sunday, May 01, 2022 14:54:45
    There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about the creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is fictionalized and is supposed to be an amalgamation of the IBM "Compatible" and Compaq storylines, and is really well done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

    Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?
    -=- Kaelon -=-

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  • From Joe Phigan@VERT/ZRUSPAS to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 01:46:09
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk out of one platform computer and put it into a different one to load up the same program.

    Ehhhhh.. :)

    It's an entertaining show, though.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Kaelon on Sunday, May 01, 2022 20:27:00
    Hello Kaelon!

    ** On Sunday 01.05.22 - 14:54, Kaelon wrote to All:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

    [...]

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
    too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
    the lost data on the hard drives.


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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Joe Phigan on Sunday, May 01, 2022 22:06:13
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

    I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk out of one platform computer and put it into a different one to load up the same program.

    I completely forgot about that scene, but, yes, it was absolutely cringe-worthy. I feel that it could be dismissed ever-so-slightly because so much else of the series was entertaining and felt truth-ish, even from a fictitious rendering of the 1980s events.
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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Ogg on Sunday, May 01, 2022 22:08:06
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Ogg to Kaelon on Sun May 01 2022 08:27 pm

    YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
    too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
    the lost data on the hard drives.

    Yes! I especially like how they built a work-around to break the IBM PC-DOS kernel; even though I'm in my 40s, I vaguely recall as a child some drama around the introduction of compatibles. I had to talk with my dad who clued me in about the seriousness of breaking IBM's apparent monopoly. Extremely entertaining!
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Sunday, May 01, 2022 23:55:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

    There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about t
    and is really well done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

    Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?
    -=- Kaelon -=-


    A friend used to work for Heathkit back in the 70's and early 80's and he
    said Halt and Catch Fire captured the feel of what it was like in th efirst season. In the days of the H-8 and H89 before Zenith electronics boughth
    them to create Zenith Data Systems, it was common to go to a computer trade show and see Jobs and Woz and other soon to be big named people looking at their products. Bill Gates and Paul Allen flew in several times after DOS
    was adopted by IBM, and ZDS made a couple of portable machines with DOS on a ROM to boot faster without tieing up the floppy drive.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 11:13:38
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

    There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about the creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is fictionalized and is supposed to be an amalgamation of the IBM "Compatible" and Compaq storylines, and is really well done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

    Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    I've only seen part of the first episode. I've been meaning to keep watching it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, May 02, 2022 11:48:32
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:13 am

    I've only seen part of the first episode. I've been meaning to keep watching it.

    The first episode is slow (like many good period dramas these days), and the entire series speeds up after the second episode. You really get pulled into the excitement, especially as programmer, sales exec, and engineer start to conspire against IBM.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 10:44:00
    Kaelon wrote to All <=-

    Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It
    was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

    Love the show, love the metaphor.


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  • From Codefenix@VERT/CONCHAOS to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 16:06:20
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and setting are great.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Codefenix on Monday, May 02, 2022 18:06:47
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Codefenix to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 04:06 pm

    Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and setting are great.

    Totally agree. I definitely feel like it's the spiritual successor to Mad Men, and better suited for us hacker types, anyways. ;)
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Joe Phigan on Monday, May 02, 2022 21:36:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk

    Ehhhhh.. :)

    It's an entertaining show, though.

    Nitpicking a show is part of the fun watching it unless it spoils the suspensi on of reality. The art and set department's job is to provide the feel of
    the environment without drilling down to reality. Reality is dry and boring.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Monday, May 02, 2022 21:42:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to Ogg on Sun May 01 2022 10:08 pm

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Ogg to Kaelon on Sun May 01 2022 08:27 pm

    YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
    too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
    the lost data on the hard drives.

    Yes! I especially like how they built a work-around to break the IBM PC-DOS
    of breaking IBM's apparent monopoly. Extremely entertaining!
    _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-

    I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and
    it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they
    were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, May 02, 2022 22:16:13
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Joe Phigan on Mon May 02 2022 09:36 pm

    Nitpicking a show is part of the fun watching it unless it spoils the suspensi on of reality. The art and set department's job is to provide the feel of
    the environment without drilling down to reality. Reality is dry and boring.

    irc is like boats.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 06:47:17
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:42 pm

    I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

    That's hilarious! I had no clue about this.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Kaelon on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 11:00:48
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

    There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about t creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    I loved it and also lived it. ;-)

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to HusTler on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 10:10:52
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: HusTler to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 11:00 am

    I loved it and also lived it. ;-)

    Tell us your story! I was a kid in the 1980s, so I grew up "living" it through the eyes and lives of my parents, who were both programmers for AT&T and later Amdahl Mainframes / Fujitsu post-acquisition. I love the spirit of innovation, experimentation, and the wide-eyed optimism that anything is possible.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Codefenix on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 08:23:00
    Codefenix wrote to Kaelon <=-

    Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and
    setting are great.

    I've not been sucked into a show, and more gutpunched by a character leaving the show as I was with HACF. Loved it, especially with the time jumps and scenery/cultural changes each season.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 08:25:00
    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia,
    and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have
    confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left
    in the BIOS.

    Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in
    HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought
    that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas
    and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

    Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 13:36:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 06:47 am

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:42 pm

    I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

    That's hilarious! I had no clue about this.
    _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-

    This is one o fthe reasons I've always been skeptical to all those urban
    myths about people having a 1965 Buick getting 65mpg until it wass recalled, then got 12mpg like every other land yacht. The story is usually a
    conspiracy by the oil companies buying up and burying fuel efficiency technology to keep companies from producing it. The problem is you can only buy out people in a capitalistic system. If Cold War era Soviets or China heard there was someoone building a 65mpg carburator or cheap, easy to service
    enrgy cells, they'd send in spies or an extraction team to steal that technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world.
    They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

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  • From Kaelon@VERT to Moondog on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 14:43:57
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 01:36 pm

    technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world. They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

    I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake is the proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, despite its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the entire supply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insider disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 17:53:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Codefenix <=-

    Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and
    setting are great.

    I've not been sucked into a show, and more gutpunched by a
    character leaving the show as I was with HACF. Loved it,
    especially with the time jumps and scenery/cultural changes each
    season.

    I haven't watched this, and want to...

    A quick check makes it appear that it's not watchable on the usual
    streaming services, for free. Any secrets as to how it can be watched
    without yet another subscription?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 23:49:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 08:25 am

    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

    Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

    Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.


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    I used to work for Zenith Data Systems from 1990-1996. Zenith Electronics Cor p bought the comp[uter division of Heathkit around 1979 and named them ZDS. Heathkit was a company that produced educational materials and DIY kits.
    In the early days you could buy an airplane kit, a go kart , or motor bike, buit later on they centered the business on consumer electrnics DIY kits.
    You could buy a stereo receiver or a TV set, ham radio, for examples, and
    even sold test equipment and diagnostic tools either assembled or in a kit.

    In the 70's they branched kits teaching about micro controllers and cpus.
    You could buy a kit with a keypad and led display, and enter in code line perline and execute it. Abreadboard on the trainer allowed you to interface the trainer with self made circuits. They produced a system called the H8 which
    was a competitor for the Altair and IMSAI S-100 bus systems. Intead of rows
    of led's and toggle swtiches, they opted for using an octal keypad and 8 segment numeric led displays. This eveolved into the H89, which was an H19 terminal integrated with the H8. IIRC Hacf used Zenith 89's (the re-branded H89) to fill the role of H19 terminals because the prop house had enough.

    Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a
    bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kaelon on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 23:58:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 02:43 pm

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 01:36 pm

    technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world. They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

    I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake i ring line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insider disclosu _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-

    A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company
    killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available. In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office. They developed not only the workstation, but also the servers, the network, and laser printing and email system to make it work. Part of what killed it was the price of a workstation being $10,000 usd in a time when a Buick LeSabre cost $3000. The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 16:04:00
    Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in
    HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas
    and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

    Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

    IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of it
    could have been based off of what they did.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to KAELON on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 16:04:00
    I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake is e proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, despit
    its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the entire pply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insi
    r disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.

    General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built
    well over 100 years ago.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/FINALZON to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 05, 2022 08:18:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to KAELON <=-

    General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were
    built well over 100 years ago.

    While GM itself didn't exist, the companies that went into GM did exist and some did produce electric cars for a time.

    The best examples of electric cars still run at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. The date I remember is 1812 for those (but don't quote me on that). The museum even has a hybrid car from 1898.

    But people need to remember that, at that time, the only paved roads were within the city limits, greatly limiting the area where one could drive an electic car - since they didn't have the power to go through things like deep mud.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 06:59:00
    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also
    had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 07:10:00
    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available.
    In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office.

    Maybe they let their project fail because their business model
    revolved around TRILLIONS OF PIECES OF PAPER?

    The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an
    exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

    :)

    I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
    (Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
    under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They
    passed on it.






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 05, 2022 06:46:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

    IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of
    it could have been based off of what they did.

    Yep, many of the elements of the show appear to be amalgams.



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  • From Kaelon@VERT/BTTMLSS to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 05, 2022 12:22:00
    General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built well over 100 years ago.

    Good point. I'm talking about the event in the 1980s that, in essence,
    provided the framework for the modern day EV. If GMC had leaned into that innovative moment, we would probably have superior battery technology by now. That said, our electric future is inevitable at this stage. It just isn't being pioneered by General Motors.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 05, 2022 09:26:21
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

    I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
    (Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
    under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They passed on it.

    I remember the scene in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" showing Steve Wozniak bringing their early Apple computer to his manager at HP, and the reasoning for HP passing on it was along the lines of "what would people at home want with a computer?"

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:44:00
    But people need to remember that, at that time, the only paved roads were within the city limits, greatly limiting the area where one could drive an electic car - since they didn't have the power to go through things like deep mud.

    A lot of places outside of cities also didn't have electricity.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:57:00
    Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.


    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 10:44:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 04 2022 04:04 pm

    Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

    Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

    IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of it could have been based off of what they did.


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    Columbia Data Products was the first company to use the clean room technique to create an IBM compatible BIOS, and they were already producing Z-80
    systems that ran CP/M. Compaq was the second company to clean room a BIOS in a
    way IBM couldn't defeat. Cardiff is an alagam of several companies trying to exploit the IBM compatible loophole. Some of the Cardiff Giant's
    technologies and enhacements were based on several smaller companies designs from that period. Mutiny was inspired by Playnet, and player avatar section was inspired by Quantumlink and Lucasfilm's Caribe with slight changes.

    That is what made the show interesting. The show is full of honorable
    mentions and several red herrings regarding the direction the show was moving in. There was also the Dell inspired path which took a strange turn

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 11:02:00
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Wed May 04 2022 04:04 pm

    I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake e proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, de its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the ent pply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry r disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.

    General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built well over 100 years ago.


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Stamp Collection?? Ha-Ha!" - Nelson


    True, but GM had brought the idea back and were very interested in seeing an electric car as being more than a glorified golf cart. Ford was one of many that produced a battery powered car in the early 1900's. One company built what looked like a covered wagon with an electric motor targetted towards
    rich women who wanted to drive but not mess with turning a crank. It had a range of two or three miles, which was enough range to get downtown and back.
    Fords cars were part of a sales pitch to help his buddy Edison to sell electricity. Ford also produced cars that were made of hemp fibers and ran
    off hemp oil. He also made cars that ran of ethanol to promote farming. I can't imagine Ford was that serious in making an electric car when he
    realized the technology to make high capacity batteries was in it's infancy.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 06, 2022 11:15:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 06:59 am

    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.




    ... Towards the insignificant

    Name dropping and Easter eggs help build their world and make it valid. Famicon/ Nintendo also makes an appearance. Gordon's name is derived from Gordon Moore, a co-founder of Intel.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 06, 2022 11:23:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

    Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

    A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available.
    In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office.

    Maybe they let their project fail because their business model
    revolved around TRILLIONS OF PIECES OF PAPER?

    The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an
    exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

    :)

    I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
    (Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
    under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They
    passed on it.






    ... Go outside. Shut the door.

    Xerox passed on several technologies that came from Xerox PARC. hard to
    imagine several of the eveyday technologies we enjoy were solid concepts 50 years ago.

    Check out Doug Engelbart's Mother of all Demos on Youtube from
    1968. The live demonstration featured the introduction of a complete
    computer hardware and software system called the oN-Line System or, more commonly, NLS. The 90-minute presentation demonstrated for the first time
    many of the fundamental elements of modern personal computing: windows, hypertext, graphics, efficient navigation and command input, video conferencing, the computer mouse, word processing, dynamic file linking, revision control, and a collaborative real-time editor. Engelbart's presentation was the first to publicly demonstrate all of these elements in a single system.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, May 06, 2022 11:32:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 05 2022 09:26 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

    I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer (Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They passed on it.

    I remember the scene in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" showing Steve Wozniak br

    Nightfox

    Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subset from
    the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a
    terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before minds were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment,
    then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 11:36:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu May 05 2022 04:57 pm

    Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff als had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.


    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?


    * SLMR 2.1a * "We use language??" - Beavis

    Clark and Donna met in college, like the creators of Cisco. Clark worked for Cardiff, Donna worked for TI.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Friday, May 06, 2022 14:41:02
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 11:32 am

    Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subset from the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before minds were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment, then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

    With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to now many people using simple devices using online software again.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 06:52:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

    I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
    out there I can check...



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, May 07, 2022 12:56:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 11:32 am

    Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subs from the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before mi were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment, then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

    With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a li g online software again.

    Nightfox

    Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video
    editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worries about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice things about thin and zero clients. We had a few very intelligent, yet sometime clueless engineers that would not read who emails are from or weigh in their minds if an emal seemed odd, and would click on aatachments they think are
    pdf or other documents, then suddenly get a notice their session is infected.
    Luckily with thin sessions, you can close that session and the virus is
    gone.

    Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside to
    run everything

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Saturday, May 07, 2022 14:53:57
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat May 07 2022 12:56 pm

    Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worries about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice things

    Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside to run everything

    I can see how served apps can have their advantages. But I was going to say, latency due to bandwidth is something that annoys me about online apps. I have a device powerful enough to run it, and generally I'd tend to prefer running it directly on my device so there are no latency issues.

    And I do a lot of what you mentioned above - Gaming, video editing (usually just video transcoding and upscalign), and I also do software development sometimes. Those all are things where it's useful to have all that stuff installed locally.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, May 07, 2022 19:26:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri May 06 2022 06:52 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
    first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
    and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

    I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
    out there I can check...



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    Clark and Donna met in college, tried to make their own pc, but after that Clark joined Cardiff and Donna joined TI

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, May 08, 2022 08:03:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 07 2022 02:53 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat May 07 2022 12:56 pm

    Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worrie about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice thin

    Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside run everything

    I can see how served apps can have their advantages. But I was going to say evice so there are no latency issues.

    And I do a lot of what you mentioned above - Gaming, video editing (usually

    Nightfox

    In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned)
    as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming is usually
    forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and design work are pretty exclusive. Imagine maintaining a site with 2000 users, and only 40
    fall into a case where they would need a high end machine. You could set up
    a tier system with regards to which departments get better gear, however you still have to have server based management, licensing and a virus and malware protection suite. While the initial server investment will be high,
    purchasing thin or zero clients saves money over time when it normally comes time to upgrade physical assets or rolling out a new operating system. If a thin user's session is chirping out irregular net traffic, send a message to the user to log out and log back on. Any infection or hijacker is gone when the session closes.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sunday, May 08, 2022 13:50:00
    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they
    both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

    Clark and Donna met in college, like the creators of Cisco. Clark worked for Cardiff, Donna worked for TI.

    Been a while since I watched, but that is how I remember it.


    * SLMR 2.1a * It's time for the Possum Lodge Word Game!!!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sunday, May 08, 2022 13:52:00
    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

    I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
    out there I can check...

    Could have. I do know that at some point, before the period the show
    covered, they worked on a PC-type pet project together and that it
    didn't work out. That came up some while Clark was trying to get the Giant together.


    * SLMR 2.1a * It's the Bucket woman! She'll sing at me!!!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Monday, May 09, 2022 08:49:16
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 08:03 am

    In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned) as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming is usually forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and design

    I was thinking mainly of home use. If business use was the focus of the thread, maybe I had missed that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:40:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 01:52 pm

    I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying tha they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

    I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
    out there I can check...

    Could have. I do know that at some point, before the period the show covered, they worked on a PC-type pet project together and that it
    didn't work out. That came up some while Clark was trying to get the Giant together.


    * SLMR 2.1a * It's the Bucket woman! She'll sing at me!!!

    That was in and right after college. Their relationship was based on the founders of Cisco meeting in college, who looked for a way they could bridge the networks between their dorms in order to chat.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 00:17:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon May 09 2022 08:49 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 08:03 am

    In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned) as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming i usually forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and desi

    I was thinking mainly of home use. If business use was the focus of the thr

    Nightfox

    We're on the same page, and even the same book now:)

    Yeah,I thought that was clear when I mentioned a 2000 user environment earlie r.

    Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage. The last project I was on was at a hospital, and they used
    a hybrid environemnt where they used regular desktops that ran apps locally, however the apps they had access to were controlled by a remote profile manager. Once you isgned in, the Zen desktop would pop up a window with all the apps you have access to. If you need some thing else, you fill out a request and have your manager approve it. When received, an admin will add permissions to that app in your profile. Log out and log back in, and the
    icon appears.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 06:45:00
    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a
    multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when
    software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation
    hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage.

    As an IT manager, I always thought they'd be a great solution for
    most office workers, but when we set up roaming profiles to get the
    portability aspect of thin clients, I'd get that person who'd put *all* of
    their apps on the desktop, making their roaming profile huge. It'd
    take them forever to log in over a fast ethernet connection.

    They'd complain, we'd urge them to put their files on the server, and
    they'd prefer to complain that make something work.


    (aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
    they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
    FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
    how far we've come...)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 08:59:20
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

    (aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
    they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
    FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
    how far we've come...)

    Yeah, we've come a long way.
    I think I might have seen a couple episodes of that show when I was a kid, but I don't remember exactly. I started watching some of those episodes on YouTube and I thought I recognized the host and some of the things they had talked about (i.e., the episode where they talked about buying a Mac vs. a PC, etc.).

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:22:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage.

    As an IT manager, I always thought they'd be a great solution for
    most office workers, but when we set up roaming profiles to get the
    portability aspect of thin clients, I'd get that person who'd put *all* of
    their apps on the desktop, making their roaming profile huge. It'd
    take them forever to log in over a fast ethernet connection.

    They'd complain, we'd urge them to put their files on the server, and
    they'd prefer to complain that make something work.


    (aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
    they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
    FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
    how far we've come...)



    ... Is there something missing?

    Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile so the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain
    to their upper management anout us preventing from doing his job, we prove he can do his job like everyone else can the way the system was deployed, then sh ow the manager the number of how many times he would call to ask for things
    he cannot have, or time spent undoing his mistakes.

    One day heefound a setting deep within Lotus Notes that we couldn't figure
    out why it had this option. It disabled passwords and authentication, which was required to access his inbox, archives, and other message areas and knowledge bases. If you tried to fix it, it would not provide a way to authenticate the connection. It totally screwed up his inbox and profile on his home drive. Luckily dowadays with citrix and ZEnworks all that setup
    stuff can be grayed out or hidden.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 00:25:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 08:59 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

    (aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
    they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
    FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
    how far we've come...)

    Yeah, we've come a long way.
    I think I might have seen a couple episodes of that show when I was a kid, b sode where they talked about buying a Mac vs. a PC, etc.).

    Nightfox


    It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's. I
    recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and the
    Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels. Before then LCD panels were long,
    slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition
    TV's will put CRT's out of business. The other sales guy laughed, and stated
    a bunch of stats about viewing angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at
    3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Moondog on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 09:38:55
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue May 10 2022 12:17 am

    manager. Once you isgned in, the Zen desktop would pop up a window with all the apps you have access to. If you need some thing else, you fill out a

    It sounds like they were using Micro Focus ZENworks. I run ZENworks in the 1500 user environment that I admin, and it's the BEST THING EVER :)



    o
    (O)
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 06:53:00
    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's.
    I recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and
    the Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels.

    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    If memory serves, one of our local affiliates in the San Francisco
    Bay Area produced the show. I love seeing balding nerds with wire-rim
    prescription glasses in white starched shirts and tie-pins talking
    about microprocessors, micro-floppies and more effective data
    processing, reminds me of where IT came from. In Halt and Catch Fire,
    when Joe goes to work for his girlfriend's dad's company in season 2,
    it wasn't that far off.

    One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
    internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
    remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

    I don't know if they ever covered SFNet, a multi-node dial-up BBS in
    San Francisco that had coin-op kiosks in coffee shops and
    laundromats. They did a lot to bring non-computer people into the
    community, especially when a lot of people didn't have home computers
    yet.






    Before then LCD
    panels were long, slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition TV's will put CRT's out of business. The
    other sales guy laughed, and stated a bunch of stats about viewing
    angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in
    US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at 3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:51:38
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

    One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
    internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
    remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

    Most episodes are on YouTube, and AFAIK all of them are on archive.org.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/ComputerChroniclesYT https://archive.org/details/computerchronicles


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 13, 2022 14:02:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's.
    I recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and the Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels.

    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    If memory serves, one of our local affiliates in the San Francisco
    Bay Area produced the show. I love seeing balding nerds with wire-rim
    prescription glasses in white starched shirts and tie-pins talking
    about microprocessors, micro-floppies and more effective data
    processing, reminds me of where IT came from. In Halt and Catch Fire,
    when Joe goes to work for his girlfriend's dad's company in season 2,
    it wasn't that far off.

    One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
    internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
    remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

    I don't know if they ever covered SFNet, a multi-node dial-up BBS in
    San Francisco that had coin-op kiosks in coffee shops and
    laundromats. They did a lot to bring non-computer people into the
    community, especially when a lot of people didn't have home computers
    yet.






    Before then LCD
    panels were long, slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition TV's will put CRT's out of business. The other sales guy laughed, and stated a bunch of stats about viewing angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at 3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.
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    ... Is it finished?

    Look up the Gary Kildall special of Computer chronicles either on Youtube or Archive.org. Associates of Gary say their meetings with IBM went
    differently. Bill Gates already had his foot in the door when he was
    consulted to help write the IBM BIOS. He knew alot of things he shouldn't
    have known as a competitor going in to bid on selling an operating system.

    Kildall would pitch his companie's products when possible on the show. He produced a graphics enivronment manager called GEM. It was his take on the Apple windowed OS and would run on 512k while Windows required over 640k.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, May 06, 2022 17:45:57
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire

    With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to now many people using simple devices using online software again.



    i think it makes perfect sense.
    you should only use what you need.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:28:51
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

    (aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
    they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
    FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
    how far we've come...)


    i used to have a bunch of those but i lost them.
    good thing there's yt-dlp

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:57:49
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 03:22 pm


    Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile so the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain


    i someone is at a desk. you have to watch them.
    there will be some funny business going on.
    my friend is an it manager and they have this software that shows all the users activity.

    this dude got in trouble and they watched him delete his emails and try to cover his tracks. it was funny. they were deleted to HIM, but not for IT.
    they track when they're idle, what programs are open, what emails they send and receive. it's kinda scarey.... if you're the type to screw off.

    at my job as an electronics tech we had an engineer who would sit by himself and he would test controllers. when the bosses would go to lunch, he would sleep. then he would wake up and restart the computer over and over again.
    he was stupid and didn't realize my desk was right behind his.

    he was trying to break the computer by restarting it. either hardware, the OS or both, he was trying. i then asked him if someone was wrong with that computer and he jumped and got scared and said no.

    he stopped doing it. later on i helpd out in another department and came back and that computer was dead and they said they could no longer use that test fixture to check controllers. i told my boss but there was no way to prove it unless they would have had a camera on him all day.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 12, 2022 15:41:27
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am


    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
    he was on company business at another location.

    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she should have known they had the NDA, so gary and his wife dropped the ball on that one.
    ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wanted.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 21:38:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 05:45 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire

    With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to no many people using simple devices using online software again.



    i think it makes perfect sense.
    you should only use what you need.


    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a
    big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send
    ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you
    to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 21:58:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 07:57 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 03:22 pm


    Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile s the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain


    i someone is at a desk. you have to watch them.
    there will be some funny business going on.
    my friend is an it manager and they have this software that shows all the us

    this dude got in trouble and they watched him delete his emails and try to c they track when they're idle, what programs are open, what emails they send

    at my job as an electronics tech we had an engineer who would sit by himself he was stupid and didn't realize my desk was right behind his.

    he was trying to break the computer by restarting it. either hardware, the O

    he stopped doing it. later on i helpd out in another department and came ba ve had a camera on him all day.


    The worst users were the "super users" that purchased an O'Reilly book on
    every app and the OS they used, and would try to tweak the OS how they
    wanted it to run. You can spot them on their first day because they would
    ask if you have all the adapters they need to use their old IBM "M" keyboard they 've been using since the 1980's. The other jerk you had to look for
    would comlain about his laptop, then you find the problem is some other company's VPN software is installed. The guy moonlights for a competitor,
    and uses all his compnay provided assets because his other employer asks contractors to supply their own devices and run their apps through Citrix desk top. When you strip off their VPN and tell them that is not only an IT violat ion but also an ethics violation due to conflict of interest, they will go to their supervisor and play stupid and say we evil IT are making him non-productive. My boss will forward me the nastygram he received, I will
    show him and the other guy's boss in an email what was done, and would copy
    and paste the exact wording from the IT/ user's agreement and the ethics
    guide page that says I should've immediately informed the legal department
    and HR of this improper use of company assests and intellectual property.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 22:10:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 12 2022 03:41 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am


    Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
    missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
    sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

    he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
    he was on company business at another location.

    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante


    Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane. he had flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA
    back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 22:59:13
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:10 pm


    His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband.

    she
    shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante


    Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane.


    he had
    flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

    either way you could call them stupid for not knowing about the NDA. but like i said ibm wanted to buy them out, not license, so they DR would have said no anyways.

    he was a successful man and enjoyed life. but he was an alcoholic.
    atleast he's not a pedophile like bill gates


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Thursday, May 19, 2022 09:55:32
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work. It's basically an all-or-nothing thing. I wouldn't really like being stuck without a way to do what I want to do.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Thursday, May 19, 2022 19:19:22
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th

    I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Belly on Thursday, May 19, 2022 19:39:24
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Belly to Nightfox on Thu May 19 2022 07:19 pm

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
    similar th

    I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

    I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even if you cache your documents locally, do you have any way to open them without an internet connection?

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, May 20, 2022 02:02:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

    When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the for of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. User were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a vir

    Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allo for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th y to do what I want to do.

    Nightfox

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.


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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Friday, May 20, 2022 13:40:12
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 07:39 pm

    I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even

    Your Chrome apps get cached locally, just like extensions and such in the Chrome browser. The devices do have local storage onboard. In fact, I have an old Dell Chromebook at home that I flashed new firmware on, that runs Ubuntu. It's one of my favorite little lappys. The SSD is only 16GB, but I keep a 32GB SD card mounted for extra storage.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, May 20, 2022 05:18:00
    Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

    Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
    similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work.

    All of the Google apps let you work offline.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Saturday, May 21, 2022 10:38:31
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you mean.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Nightfox on Saturday, May 21, 2022 21:39:43
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

    I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more to do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

    o
    (O)
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, May 21, 2022 22:31:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

    That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. T was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Offic all these years rather than bandwidth.

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

    Nightfox

    My stream of thought must've dropped off. I think I meant to say bandwidth re liant apps. Give someone who has used MS Office as their prime work tool an alternate tool set like Google Apps, and some may adapt quickly while others will struggle since it's not what they have always used. I even suspect ed a few admins that used changes in software as excuses as to why they couldn't
    get work done in time. Their bosses would crate nastygrams to our bosses,
    they we'd have our network security guy take a peak at their browsing habits and remote view them when they weren't aware. One user would ask why there's an eyeball on the system tray?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Belly on Sunday, May 22, 2022 09:15:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Belly to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 09:39 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

    Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what

    I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy


    Bingo. I lost my stream of though somewhere in editing that. Transitions
    from Windows have been way easier than moving between Office upgrades. With that knowledge, imagine how crazy it was to switch to something completely different!

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  • From Divarin@VERT/TIME/BATTLEST to All on Monday, May 23, 2022 15:44:12
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:15 am

    Ah I watched all 4 seasons of Halt and Catch Fire before it was on Netflix. Each season is sort of its own thing. I really liked Seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 mostly focuses on BBSs, well specificaly an online service called Mutiny run on/for Commodore computers. It's clearly like Play Net, which became Quantum Link, and eventually America Online.
    My BBS (mutiny BBS) was set up i 2018 after I watched this season because I liked having the idea of having a platform where you could write your own games and have your users play them. Not that my BBS is trying to exactly mimic the online service in this show but it inspired me to get off my butt and get the BBS going.
    I didn't much care for the last season personally, it was much more emotional which some people might prefer.

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  • From knightwise@VERT/BEERS20 to Divarin on Thursday, June 16, 2022 10:52:00
    I was wondering if "Mutiny" was indeed a BBS service. Now I understand. I love love love that show! y

    Knightwise
    Host of the knightwise.com podcast
    www.knightwise.com

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to knightwise on Thursday, June 16, 2022 20:26:00
    knightwise wrote to Divarin <=-

    I was wondering if "Mutiny" was indeed a BBS service. Now I
    understand. I love love love that show! y

    I just finished semi-binge-watching all 4 seasons of it, having missed
    it completely when it first aired. Really liked it a LOT, great stuff!

    Reminded me of buying my "Kaypro PC" back in 1986. :-)



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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Joe Phigan on Monday, August 29, 2022 07:47:35
    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

    Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it. ;-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hustler on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 07:30:00
    Hustler wrote to Joe Phigan <=-

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time.
    Bindge watched most of it.


    I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

    I want a present-day season 5.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, September 05, 2022 12:41:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Tue Aug 30 2022 07:30 am

    Hustler wrote to Joe Phigan <=-

    Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

    Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it.


    I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

    I want a present-day season 5.


    ... Abandon desire

    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later
    half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with
    in that era. Pre-google search engine wars was big, too.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, September 05, 2022 14:13:30
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 08:52:00
    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Sep 05 2022 02:13 pm

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the late half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services w hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play wi

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet

    Pointcast wasn't used. Users would install it on their systems and use it to stream news, sports scores or stock information. Same thing with limewire, napster,and other programs that would install adware or eat bandwidth. I had
    a friend that was assigned to a project to help reduce bandwidth consumption for a big corporation. He would skim through internet logs, and flag non-critical sites that were taking up user's time and eating bandwidth and su bmit them to another team that would add them to be blocked or set off alerts when accessed. This was before established firewall programs came out with most of the common websites already on the block list.

    When I worked in nuclear generation we had lots of issues with searches bringing up undesirable results. Connectors would be either male or female,
    or somemone would be looking for petcock valves. We also had several
    employees or contractors that would be from countries other than the US, and surfing Asian, Indian, or Eastern European sites would get flagged right
    away. One employee who kept his Chinese national status so he could return some day would access news sites and streaming video sites at work. Some of these required special plug-ins which would set off virus scanners or
    firewall intrusion alerts.

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  • From bex@VERT/CONCHAOS to MRO on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 13:43:00
    MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

    Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

    hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

    i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

    I worked at HP when Pointcast came out. It brought the local network down
    to its knees every time that a new story was pushed, or a weather update,
    or a score update, or an editor would publish a retraction, or...

    The 90s were a weird time for consumer internet applications.

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