• Babylon 5

    From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to All on Wednesday, August 03, 2022 20:28:00
    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to unixl0rd on Thursday, August 04, 2022 17:10:07
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    i really couldn't get into it.

    i recommend taking a scifi break and watching city on a hill.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to unixl0rd on Thursday, August 04, 2022 21:11:00
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

    ... A fallen lighthouse is more dangerous than a reef.

    Babylon 5 is worht watching up to a point. The show was written to have a 5 year story arc, then after that arc it didn't seem as cohesive. Other than
    the story arc the individual episodes stand alone well.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to unixl0rd on Friday, August 05, 2022 18:59:00
    On 08-03-22 20:28, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

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    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
    it.

    Do you recommend it?

    Yes, love B5!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to unixl0rd on Thursday, August 04, 2022 07:33:00
    unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
    it.

    Do you recommend it?

    The CGI is pretty rough, but I like the space station formula - they didn't need to do an "episode in a bottle" with a new alien each week and could do
    a story arc.

    I know you said no Star Trek, but have you seen Deep Space 9 yet? The latter half consists of season-wide story arcs, lots of character development.

    Not exactly Science Fiction, but Mr. Robot or Halt and Catch Fire are good watches.



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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to unixl0rd on Friday, August 05, 2022 07:41:03
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I

    There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That set of the series was pretty fun.

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  • From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, August 05, 2022 09:00:00
    I have watched all of them :P Halt and Catch Fire is one of the reasons that got me into the retro-computing stuff. DS9 is my favourite Star Trek series. Sisko was boss.

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to unixl0rd on Friday, August 05, 2022 17:22:33
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

    ... A fallen lighthouse is more dangerous than a reef.

    The first four seasons are awesome. The fifth season is meh.

    But seriously, it's a good series overall.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to unixl0rd on Friday, August 05, 2022 16:12:50
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    What about The Expanse?

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Phigan on Friday, August 05, 2022 18:52:42
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to unixl0rd on Fri Aug 05 2022 07:41 am

    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I

    There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That set of the series was pretty fun.

    i liked doctor who until it got to peter capaldi. by then the writing was
    real horrible. i did however like when he was stuck in the time prison and he would punch the crystal and die and revive himself.

    Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who because it was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just sooooo bad. you can tell when writers are done.

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  • From Phoobar@VERT/FREEWAY to unixl0rd on Saturday, August 06, 2022 03:22:00
    On Wed Aug 3 20:28:00 2022, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
    Do you recommend it?

    Made it through the 1st season...but life happened. Friends loved it. Myself...would recommend The Orville. Would also go for Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Phoobar on Saturday, August 06, 2022 15:21:42
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phoobar to unixl0rd on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:22 am

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
    Do you recommend it?

    Made it through the 1st season...but life happened. Friends loved it. Myself...would recommend The Orville. Would also go for Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Saturday, August 06, 2022 18:13:39
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm


    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    it's just too bad the guy can't keep his dick in his pants. he's already been in relationships with 2 of the women on the show.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Lizard Master on Saturday, August 06, 2022 16:32:41
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    I also like The Orville. I really enjoyed the 3rd season, and I hope the show gets renewed.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to The Lizard Master on Saturday, August 06, 2022 19:24:44
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the bes

    +1 on The Orville bandwagon.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to unixl0rd on Saturday, August 06, 2022 17:37:22
    On 8/3/22 13:28, unixl0rd wrote:
    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a
    good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from
    Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've
    never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    I like it a lot and would recommend it... I will say the acting,
    especially in the first season, was very Soap Opera feeling, but it gets
    a bit better. The concept/story in general are very good, and much more
    well constructed than most shows.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, August 06, 2022 17:40:10
    On 8/4/22 07:33, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

    The CGI is pretty rough, but I like the space station formula - they didn't need to do an "episode in a bottle" with a new alien each week and could do
    a story arc.

    HBO Max did some rescan/upscaling... and it's generally improved on the
    image quality. If you get it from the high seas, would try to make sure
    it's content from the better upscaled streaming content over older DVD rips.

    I know you said no Star Trek, but have you seen Deep Space 9 yet? The latter half consists of season-wide story arcs, lots of character development.

    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite
    part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard
    never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Phigan on Saturday, August 06, 2022 17:42:01
    On 8/5/22 07:41, Phigan wrote:
    non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek).

    There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I
    did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it
    was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That
    set of the series was pretty fun.

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood
    series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that
    really liked Torchwood.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Belly on Saturday, August 06, 2022 17:42:48
    On 8/5/22 14:12, Belly wrote:

    What about The Expanse?

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, August 06, 2022 21:12:27
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to The Lizard Master on Sat Aug 06 2022 04:32 pm

    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    I also like The Orville. I really enjoyed the 3rd season, and I hope the show gets renewed.


    the actors have a lot of going on and so does seth. he says there's a 50/50 chance. also he said he wants it to go on without him.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Saturday, August 06, 2022 21:15:09
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood
    series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that
    really liked Torchwood.

    torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, though.
    they lost the message and writing was bad.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Tracker1 on Saturday, August 06, 2022 22:51:00
    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard
    never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard with the actor that plays Q :P

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 09:21:37
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 06 2022 10:51 pm

    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard with the actor that plays Q :P

    ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.
    I don't know if I liked it or not. I think I enjoyed the show more often than not.

    Marc Alaimo is a great actor and a great villian.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sunday, August 07, 2022 10:24:00
    Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who because i
    was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just soo
    o bad. you can tell when writers are done.

    Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she
    could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current
    group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where
    her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.

    She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting
    to see if the next group tries to repair the backstory or leaves it as is.

    I only watched the last season to see how they wrote her out... then found
    out it would happen over the course of two specials. I could have skipped
    the last season and just watched the yet-to-be aired episode.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Phoobar on Sunday, August 07, 2022 07:54:00
    Phoobar wrote to unixl0rd <=-

    Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes
    to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

    Thanks for the Warehouse 13 reminder - I'd meant to watch that a few years ago...


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 07:57:00
    esc wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard
    with the actor that plays Q :P

    What was the name of that B&B? My wife and I are planning another trip to
    Paso Robles soon. We went down last weekend to Sensorio, but just took a day trip.

    One thing that shocks me about moving out of the bay area is how close the south central coast is now - Paso Robles is 2 hours away. I'm used to it
    being more like 3-4 hours.




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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Sunday, August 07, 2022 12:14:00
    ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.

    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, August 07, 2022 12:15:00
    What was the name of that B&B? My wife and I are planning another trip
    to Paso Robles soon. We went down last weekend to Sensorio, but just
    took a day trip.

    I'll see if he still lists the property, he mentioned using it as a cooking venue for his wife to host classes instead of B&B when I last spoke to him.

    One thing that shocks me about moving out of the bay area is how close
    the south central coast is now - Paso Robles is 2 hours away. I'm used
    to it being more like 3-4 hours.

    Where did you move? We are in South San Jose (Almaden valley area). We previously lived in downtown Palo Alto and it feels like we are in another world!

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Tracker1 on Sunday, August 07, 2022 12:41:38
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood

    Yes, actually. I had completely forgotten about that show. Might have to rewatch when I'm bored.

    I liked some of the other shows mentioned earlier, too. The BSG spinoff, Caprica, was pretty cool, while it lasted.

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Tracker1 on Sunday, August 07, 2022 12:43:29
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Belly on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, August 07, 2022 13:35:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 06 2022 09:15 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that really liked Torchwood.

    torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, though. they lost the message and writing was bad.

    Agreed. the Starz mini-series was devoid of the Torchwood "vibe." The chemistry was missing.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 13:40:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 06 2022 10:51 pm

    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for

    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron
    Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Phigan on Sunday, August 07, 2022 17:23:51
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:43 pm

    What about Avenue 5? :)
    Oh, man, what a great show :)

    o
    (O)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 16:32:24
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:14 pm

    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.

    I'm curious why you now tend to prefer the narrative across multiple episodes these days? It seems like almost all TV shows are done that way now, which I don't really mind, but I miss shows where each episode is its own story. These days, the story pretty much spans a whole season of a TV show, so if there are 10 episodes, it's basically a 10-hour movie. I feel like it all blends together, and later, if I want to go back and watch an episode where something happened, it's harder to remember which episode that was.

    Also, sometimes I just like being able to just pick any episode and watch it without needing the context of the previous episodes.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?

    DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but it soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Still, I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storyline that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sunday, August 07, 2022 18:50:04
    Re: Dr Who
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 10:24 am

    Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who because i
    was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just soo
    o bad. you can tell when writers are done.

    Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she
    could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.

    She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting

    it just plain sucks.
    like real bad. i used to be a huge fan and i turned my back on it for good and everyone i know did the same.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 18:51:48
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:14 pm


    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.

    i like that. i like the variety.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?

    sometimes it does both or either.
    that also is a bit of variety i liked about it.
    I really didn't like the emissary stuff.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 07, 2022 19:26:13
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 04:32 pm

    DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but it soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Still, I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storyline that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.

    it also gets better once he shaves his head and grows the goatee[vandyke].
    hawk in the house.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sunday, August 07, 2022 20:41:00
    Re: Dr Who
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 10:24 am

    Then they brought the woman on and everyone pretended to like dr who becau was a woman and called everyone sexist for hating it. the writing was just o bad. you can tell when writers are done.

    Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she
    could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.

    She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting
    to see if the next group tries to repair the backstory or leaves it as is.

    I only watched the last season to see how they wrote her out... then found out it would happen over the course of two specials. I could have skipped the last season and just watched the yet-to-be aired episode.


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    I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. the show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast
    forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring. Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Sunday, August 07, 2022 21:01:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:14 pm

    ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.

    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I'v hich I realize now I don't like as much.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by it

    DS9 has story arcs sprinkled with stand alone stories. It becomes more
    serial as time goes by. Some purists hated DS9 because it was not Roddenberry 's style. One of the reasons Roddenberry agreed to bring the series back was due to syndication being less strict than a networks' schedule. If a week
    was skipped because post production was late, that was occasionally
    allowable to keep the quality up. If a show could not be played at it's scheduled time, the local station had a window to re-air or show an episode again later in the evening or another day of the week. More two part, three part stories could exist. If a major character change was to be made, they didn't have to wait until the season finale or next season premier to
    institute it.

    Marine Sirtis once heard Roddenberry say Trek was all about exploration, not about running a hotel. The writers used his own wordplay to pitch the
    series. If Star Trek was Wagon Train set in space, DS9 was Rifleman set in space. Sisko and his son were the equivalent of McCain and his son, and all the trouble would come to them.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Phigan on Sunday, August 07, 2022 21:09:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:43 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Belly on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.


    Iliked a series called Blakes 7, but felt it would be hard to bring back because several of it's influencing themes and charater development had been borrowed by other shows, it would look like the derivitive series. A remake was being pitched around the same time SG Universe was made, and some
    elements of SGU had been borrowed from it. Once such device was instead of
    an anti-hero second in command that pretends to a douche, the second in command
    has no qualms of killing Blake and taking the helm when the time is right.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Nightfox on Monday, August 08, 2022 01:46:00
    I'm curious why you now tend to prefer the narrative across multiple episodes these days? It seems like almost all TV shows are done that
    way now, which I don't really mind, but I miss shows where each episode
    is its own story. These days, the story pretty much spans a whole
    season of a TV show, so if there are 10 episodes, it's basically a
    10-hour movie. I feel like it all blends together, and later, if I want to go back and watch an episode where something happened, it's harder to remember which episode that was.

    I prefer to immerse myself in the storyline and lore and watch characters develop over time. I find the self contained episode thing to make very formulaic stories. Not that that's bad, necessarily, just not what I am into these days.

    Also, sometimes I just like being able to just pick any episode and
    watch it without needing the context of the previous episodes.

    My first Chrome extension was one to randomize episodes of shows on Netflix :P so there is a world where people dig that!

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sunday, August 07, 2022 23:41:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 07 2022 07:26 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 04:32 pm

    DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but i soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Stil I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storylin that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.

    it also gets better once he shaves his head and grows the goatee[vandyke]. hawk in the house.

    That was a good look for Sisko.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Lizard Master on Monday, August 08, 2022 19:13:00
    On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
    the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Monday, August 08, 2022 19:15:00
    On 08-06-22 17:42, Tracker1 wrote to Belly <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TRN
    On 8/5/22 14:12, Belly wrote:

    What about The Expanse?

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    I really enjoyed it, very well done.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Monday, August 08, 2022 08:49:29
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 08 2022 07:13 pm

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    I agree. And people are saying it might not get renewed for a 4th season. I've heard Seth MacFarlane wants less involvement with it. Normally, I'd think such a popular show would definitely get renewed though.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, August 08, 2022 11:25:00
    Those seasons had a different show runner and maybe different writers from previous incarnations. I have seen her on other shows and I think she could have been a good Dr if she had anything to work with. The current group also retconned a bunch of the Doctor's backstory to the point where her time as the Doctor does not really fit in to the rest of the story.

    She and this crew have one more episode left, then it will be interesting

    it just plain sucks.
    like real bad. i used to be a huge fan and i turned my back on it for good an
    everyone i know did the same.

    If it was not a long-running show, i.e. if she was the first doctor, the
    show would be cancelled.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Monday, August 08, 2022 11:32:00
    I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. the show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring.

    Exactly! It seemed like they would spend most of the show on things that didn't add to the story, and then spend the last 5 minutes or so hurrying to the conclusion. The satisfaction of watching the Doctor (seeming to)
    slowly figure something out, like 4, 10, and 11 did, was gone.

    The most recent New Year's Episode was sort of the opposite... they figured
    it out, but then seemed to spend extra time on a long and dragged-out
    solution rather than getting to safety sooner. Felt like they ran out of
    ideas and had to pad out 20 minutes or so. I would have enjoyed it more if they'd just shortened the episode. :)

    I also think she had too many companions, which may be why the middle of
    some stories got too stretched out.

    Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.

    That is they other thing they spend too much time on in the middle of
    stories. They had a couple that were all about the "bad American
    businessMAN" that I am pretty sure was supposed to make us think of Trump. There are many, many other examples, most of which were not memorable and I cannot remember the details of.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, August 08, 2022 21:31:53
    Re: Dr Who
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 07 2022 08:41 pm


    I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. the show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring. Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.

    i used to like british shows because they knew when it was over. the actors went on to other projects and that kept things fresh.

    just throwing in another actor to doctor who isn't doing it anymore.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, August 08, 2022 21:33:22
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 11:41 pm

    it also gets better once he shaves his head and grows the goatee[vandyke]. hawk in the house.

    That was a good look for Sisko.

    he went back to his spenser for higher hawk character look.
    there was also more character development.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 19:46:00
    On 08-08-22 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 08 2022 07:13 pm

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    I agree. And people are saying it might not get renewed for a 4th
    season. I've heard Seth MacFarlane wants less involvement with it. Normally, I'd think such a popular show would definitely get renewed though.

    It would be a shame if it doesn't get renewed.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 09:07:00
    Re: Dr Who
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Aug 08 2022 09:31 pm

    Re: Dr Who
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 07 2022 08:41 pm


    I don't blame the actress for Dr Who not being entertaining any more. th show's tempo had changed so much I would spend most of my time fast forwarding through it to keep the the story progressing without being too boring. Other times it is beating a dead horse about some woke concept.

    i used to like british shows because they knew when it was over. the actors

    just throwing in another actor to doctor who isn't doing it anymore.

    Throwing in a new actor and new writers and show runner with more of a political commentary agenda is a formula for failure.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to esc on Monday, August 08, 2022 07:58:00
    esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Where did you move? We are in South San Jose (Almaden valley area). We previously lived in downtown Palo Alto and it feels like we are in
    another world!

    We haven't moved recently - we moved to Aptos, 10 miles south of Santa Cruz, in 2015. We were in San Carlos before that.

    We're definitely in another world - we run into traffic jams at 4-way stops when everyone waves everyone else through -- no, you go first! Everyone on
    our block have dogs, and dog walks are the morning social scene. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Monday, August 08, 2022 08:08:00
    Moondog wrote to esc <=-

    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many
    Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

    Sounds like Kris Jenner in "Keeping up with the Cardassians".




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Monday, August 08, 2022 08:10:00
    Vk3jed wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

    On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
    the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it
    felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 15:21:51
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 08 2022 08:10 am

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.



    i thought you watched it.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 16:30:00
    Throwing in a new actor and new writers and show runner with more of a political commentary agenda is a formula for failure.

    The show runner leaving is the best news of it all.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 19:08:00
    On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
    it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
    completely different light.

    Actually, it always dealt with serious issues, but kept things light with a lot of humour. It's a vehicle for exploring social issues (much like the original Star Trek), but with a bit more use of humour.


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to unixl0rd on Monday, August 08, 2022 21:59:40
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    I am a vary big Star Trek Fan but I love the Babylon 5 series it's my favorite behind star trek and battlestar galactica. I have bought the entire series on vudu. I hope you will give it a shot

    BrokenMind

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 09:10:42
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 08 2022 08:10 am

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.

    There were some serious episodes even in the first season.. If you've only watched the first couple episodes of the first season, that's not really representitive of the whole series. Granted, the first 2 seasons had quite a bit of humor, but there were some serious episodes mixed in as well. Season 3 really got a lot more serious though (but still had some comedy).

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Phigan on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 13:18:54
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:41 pm

    Yes, actually. I had completely forgotten about that show. Might have to rewatch when I'm bored.

    I liked some of the other shows mentioned earlier, too. The BSG spinoff, Caprica, was pretty cool, while it lasted.

    yeah they were really good reboots. there were some seasons of the new BSG that were dreary, but I always like to go back and watch it all again.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 13:19:51
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:35 pm


    torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, though. they lost the message and writing was bad.

    Agreed. the Starz mini-series was devoid of the Torchwood "vibe." The chemistry was missing.


    they also overly focused on jack being a homosexual when in actuality he would fuck anything and everything. they were trying to be edgy by doing gay scenes.

    i really did not like the miniseries.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 13:23:06
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:40 pm


    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

    he also would protect the bejorans as much as he could. AND his mistress was the mother of kira nerys

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kira_Meru

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 21:15:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Aug 10 2022 01:19 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:35 pm


    torchwood was edgy and adult. i didn't like the usa miniseries, thoug they lost the message and writing was bad.

    Agreed. the Starz mini-series was devoid of the Torchwood "vibe." The chemistry was missing.


    they also overly focused on jack being a homosexual when in actuality he wou

    i really did not like the miniseries.

    John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes than occasional kissing

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 21:23:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Aug 10 2022 01:23 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to esc on Sun Aug 07 2022 01:40 pm


    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals a ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

    he also would protect the bejorans as much as he could. AND his mistress was

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kira_Meru

    He would protect the Bajorans, however his reasons for doing so were more selfish than being noble. There is an episode where he is trapped on a
    planet with Sisko, and while trying to convince Sisko he is under appreciated, he is hallucinating and his subconscious is playing games with him, exposing his true colors

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brokenmind on Thursday, August 11, 2022 20:06:00
    On 08-08-22 21:59, Brokenmind wrote to unixl0rd <=-

    I am a vary big Star Trek Fan but I love the Babylon 5 series it's my favorite behind star trek and battlestar galactica. I have bought the entire series on vudu. I hope you will give it a shot


    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 11, 2022 07:20:00
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
    it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
    completely different light.

    Actually, it always dealt with serious issues, but kept things light
    with a lot of humour. It's a vehicle for exploring social issues (much like the original Star Trek), but with a bit more use of humour.

    I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in) and
    I'm enjoying it.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, August 11, 2022 13:13:13
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:15 pm


    John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes than occasional kissing

    i dont know if he was pushing for it. i searched his interviews.

    he understand the jack character and that jack has no limits to what he will bang, he has said that before.

    the serious just represented everything poorly.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, August 11, 2022 13:14:06
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:23 pm

    He would protect the Bajorans, however his reasons for doing so were more selfish than being noble. There is an episode where he is trapped on a planet with Sisko, and while trying to convince Sisko he is under appreciated, he is hallucinating and his subconscious is playing games with him, exposing his true colors

    well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thursday, August 11, 2022 16:58:00
    they also overly focused on jack being a homosexual when in actuality he would
    uck anything and everything. they were trying to be edgy by doing gay scenes.

    There was another brief Dr Who spin-off on BBC America, during the Capaldi
    era, where they did the same thing, except it was gay sex with an alien.

    I don't think it lasted more than a few episodes, not because of the love scenes but because the stories were not good. They made the most-recent seasons of Dr Who look incredibly well written in comparison.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Phigan on Thursday, August 11, 2022 16:54:07
    On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
    Re: Babylon 5
    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.

    I liked that show a lot too.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Thursday, August 11, 2022 21:28:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Thu Aug 11 2022 04:54 pm

    On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
    Re: Babylon 5
    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.


    it's not a bad show, but it's not great. it's good to watch
    when you just have time to kill.

    I'm really surprised it's returning.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thursday, August 11, 2022 21:28:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Aug 11 2022 01:13 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:15 pm


    John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes t occasional kissing

    i dont know if he was pushing for it. i searched his interviews.

    he understand the jack character and that jack has no limits to what he will

    the serious just represented everything poorly.

    I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay sex scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes are portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thursday, August 11, 2022 21:33:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Aug 11 2022 01:14 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:23 pm

    He would protect the Bajorans, however his reasons for doing so were more selfish than being noble. There is an episode where he is trapped on a planet with Sisko, and while trying to convince Sisko he is under appreciated, he is hallucinating and his subconscious is playing games wi him, exposing his true colors

    well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.

    Re-watch the episode with Dukat in the cave with Sisko. He was talking about killing and torturing people if they didn't show him the affection he thought he deserved. He would oppress the workers on DS9, then tell them they should thank him.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, August 12, 2022 19:22:00
    On 08-11-22 07:20, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in)
    and I'm enjoying it.

    Yeah, has a great storyline, have to follow it through to do it justice.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Friday, August 12, 2022 11:19:35
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:28 pm

    I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay sex scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes are portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.

    i'd rather see NO sex scenes. it's stupid. especially when they aren't used for the plot.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Friday, August 12, 2022 11:20:51
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:33 pm

    well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.

    Re-watch the episode with Dukat in the cave with Sisko. He was talking about killing and torturing people if they didn't show him the affection he thought he deserved. He would oppress the workers on DS9, then tell them they should thank him.


    i remember it. like i said, he was a complicated character. he wasn't black and white.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Saturday, August 13, 2022 11:09:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Fri Aug 12 2022 11:19 am

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:28 pm

    I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay se scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes a portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.

    i'd rather see NO sex scenes. it's stupid. especially when they aren't used

    I agree. I consider Star Trek and it's varaints to be family programming. There are several other shows I consider to be kid friendly action and adventure should also tone down the sex.

    I was reminded of the B5 episode where an alien seals a deal with Earth, and part of the negotiation requires having sex. His culture regards having sex
    to be the same as shaking hands. Ivanova was tasked to the negotiation, and
    is trying to find a way out of it. She learns the negotiator is ignorant of Earth custom, and she makes up a ritual where she dances around the alien, acting like she's turned on, then shakes his hand.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Saturday, August 13, 2022 11:27:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Fri Aug 12 2022 11:20 am

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:33 pm

    well he's a complicated character. i think he had some good in him.

    Re-watch the episode with Dukat in the cave with Sisko. He was talking about killing and torturing people if they didn't show him the affection thought he deserved. He would oppress the workers on DS9, then tell them they should thank him.


    i remember it. like i said, he was a complicated character. he wasn't blac

    He's complicated for sure. About as complicated as Hitler, Stalin, or any oth er world leader who killed millions under the guise of saying they did it
    for the best interests of the people, and all they ever done was also done
    with good intent.

    Like these leaders, he tries to get away with the big lie, and Sisko calls
    him out on that DS9 episode.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Saturday, August 13, 2022 17:10:28
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Aug 13 2022 11:27 am

    He's complicated for sure. About as complicated as Hitler, Stalin, or any oth er world leader who killed millions under the guise of saying they did it
    for the best interests of the people, and all they ever done was also done with good intent.

    Like these leaders, he tries to get away with the big lie, and Sisko calls


    oh he wasnt all bad! he stopped child labor and reduced forced labor quotas by 50%.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Saturday, August 13, 2022 23:59:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Aug 13 2022 05:10 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Aug 13 2022 11:27 am

    He's complicated for sure. About as complicated as Hitler, Stalin, or an oth er world leader who killed millions under the guise of saying they d it
    for the best interests of the people, and all they ever done was also don with good intent.

    Like these leaders, he tries to get away with the big lie, and Sisko call


    oh he wasnt all bad! he stopped child labor and reduced forced labor quotas

    Fair enough, I guess that counts for something :)

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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 14, 2022 22:06:25
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


    Cool!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brokenmind on Monday, August 15, 2022 21:32:00
    On 08-14-22 22:06, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


    Cool!

    Yeah, and watched it many times. :)


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 21, 2022 21:02:01
    On 8/15/22 04:32, Vk3jed wrote:
    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

    Cool!

    Yeah, and watched it many times. :)
    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the
    best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
    DVD version.

    The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Monday, August 22, 2022 08:37:45
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 21 2022 09:02 pm

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Monday, August 22, 2022 14:05:05
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
    AI against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Monday, August 22, 2022 15:08:25
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

    Yeah, I'v heard about that with the digital effects.

    Also, I thought I had heard DS9 and Voyager were recorded on videotape (rather than 35mm film), which is one of the problems with doing a HD remaster of those shows. I heard Star Trek: TNG was filmed on 35mm film, which allowed them to more easily re-scan the negatives to 1080p, and less of TNG's effects were done digitally.

    Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, August 22, 2022 20:55:08
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 2022 03:08 pm


    Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

    I don't blame them for shooting on tape.
    and look at how many episodes they have a year. it's over 20.

    they were working those people to death. It's incredible what they did in tv back then.

    I think now, most shows just do enough to cover each month of the year if even that.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Tuesday, August 23, 2022 20:58:00
    On 08-21-22 21:02, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
    DVD version.

    Yes, I am aware of this remaster. A big improvement.

    The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.

    Yeah, can confirm. :)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Tuesday, August 23, 2022 15:54:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
    AI against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: created from scratch.

    DaiTengu

    ... A self-starting oscillator won't.

    Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea te more suitable graphics.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, August 23, 2022 16:04:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:55 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 2022 03:08 pm


    Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original fil have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

    I don't blame them for shooting on tape.
    and look at how many episodes they have a year. it's over 20.

    they were working those people to death. It's incredible what they did in tv

    I think now, most shows just do enough to cover each month of the year if ev

    I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the 12+ hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work.
    Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare
    with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was complaining about doing this over a run of eight or so episodes a half
    season. TNG or X-Files would do this over 26 episodes a season. Soap operas such as General Hospital had to film an episode in one day to keep producing
    5 hour long shows a week.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 14:59:08
    On 8/22/22 08:37, Nightfox wrote:
    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan
    it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality
    than an AI upscale with current software.

    No idea, just know the SFX scenes were also improved from DVD quality,
    so assumed it was AI driven, but may have been a rescan for parts as
    well, usually depends on the time/money investment the company is
    willing to make.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 15:07:10
    On 8/23/22 12:54, Moondog wrote:

    Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea
    te more suitable graphics.

    B5 SFX was rendered at 1/2 scale (quarter screen) and enlarged and the original models are gone. It's definitely not new/recreated models/fx,
    and definitely better than original... like I said probably AI upscaled,
    there are animation upscale algorithms that do pretty good, which is
    likely what was used for those clips. There's a host of problems why B5 didn't see a remaster before the one for HBO Max, which is why my
    assumption is it was a good AI driven upscaling.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 20:33:07
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 23 2022 04:04 pm

    I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the 12+ hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work. Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was


    i'm sure they werent needed for all 12 hrs, too. they could rest in their trailer.

    echleston also complained about how the crew was treated [not the actors] in regards to workload so there might be something.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thursday, August 25, 2022 11:43:00
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Aug 24 2022 08:33 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 23 2022 04:04 pm

    I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work. Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was


    i'm sure they werent needed for all 12 hrs, too. they could rest in their t

    echleston also complained about how the crew was treated [not the actors] in regards to workload so there might be something.

    I saw Armin Shimmerman at a Trek convention long ago, and he talked about
    long days filming DS9. They would sometimes re-film scenes from different angles, then mix between the scenes later on. One time his character was supposed to be presumed dead, or is laying unconscious, so he had to lay
    there for several hours as they filmed and re-filmed dialog from the actors standing over him. The shots were going good, little need for re-shoots of li nes. When they were nearly done, he realized he forgot to have his teeth prosthetics placed back in after lunch! Some closeups were redone, however
    in most scenes where he is visible with other actors, it's only noticeable if you're looking for it.

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