• Basic Computer Games

    From Basschestra@VERT/DMINE to All on Saturday, August 15, 2020 12:20:52
    So again,
    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?
    thx bye,
    Basschestra
    Cheers,
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Basschestra on Saturday, August 15, 2020 10:13:16
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20 pm

    So again,
    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?
    thx bye,
    Basschestra
    Cheers,
    Basschestra

    It probably depends on which "Basic Computer Games" book. The C64 is the most popular fo the 3 you mentioned. And if you use an emulator (e.g. https://vice-emu.sourceforge.io/ or a TheC64 https://retrogames.biz/) it'll run in either C64 or VIC20 modes. Though I don't know why anyone would *choose* to program a VIC20 over a C64.

    So I guess I would suggest you use an emulator, then you can use whichever is most appropriate for the book/chapter/section that you're learning from.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Basschestra on Saturday, August 15, 2020 18:16:45
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20 pm

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?

    The C64 is going to likely have the most community support of anything in that Era, with possibly the Atari A8s reasonable second place, unless you're in the UK, in which case the Sinclair will have a larger userbase.
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  • From Papa@VERT/UNDRMINE to Basschestra on Saturday, August 15, 2020 20:43:05
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20 pm

    If you have the Creative Computing books, I think those sources were originally for a BASIC interpreter for a DEC minicomputer.

    My experience trying to resurrect old BASIC games is that each interpreter has it's own quirks so you will have to massage the code to some extent no matter what BASIC system you want it to run on.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Underminer on Saturday, August 15, 2020 23:38:00
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Underminer to Basschestra on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:16 pm

    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20 pm

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?

    The C64 is going to likely have the most community support of anything in th

    The C64 also has more specialized audio and video features (sprites, for example.) These can be accessed through poke and peek commands to their hardware addresses.

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  • From Basschestra@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:34:53
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Moondog to Underminer on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:38 pm

    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Underminer to Basschestra on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:16 pm

    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20 pm

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?

    The C64 is going to likely have the most community support of anything in

    The C64 also has more specialized audio and video features (sprites, for example.) These can be accessed through poke and peek commands to their hardware addresses.



    thanks!
    Cheers,
    Basschestra

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Basschestra on Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:32:00
    Basschestra wrote to All <=-

    So again,
    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    or another?

    The TRS-80 version of BASIC computer games is specific for the TRS-80.

    If you don't have a TRS-80, then the BASIC Games for Microcomputers is the book to use.

    But that version of BASIC computer games programs in BASIC to the "lowest common denominator" and won't use any of the
    features in the C64, PET or VIC. It will treat your screen like a glass teletype (no clear screen, no color, no cursor
    positioning) and no sound other than basic beep (i.e. print chr$(7) which is ASCII BEL - a teletype's bell).


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  • From marymitch@VERT to Basschestra on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 15:34:56
    If you want to play games then you should buy a console and the best one is play station 5. If not for gaming then stick to your pc. A have both and my play station is for triple-A games and especially Sony exclusives. The pc is for the world and online games. I play league of legends on my pc and I wish that online gaming will be available on consoles because I hate that I always have to buy different items for my pc. 2 weeks ago my monitor broke and I had to buy a new one. After some searching, I found a website https://10roar.com/ that had reviews on the best monitors. I chose the best option and it arrived today. I can easily say that this monitor is really good and that it will last.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to marymitch on Tuesday, September 07, 2021 19:15:01
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: marymitch to Basschestra on Tue Sep 07 2021 03:34 pm

    If you want to play games then you should buy a console and the best one is play station 5. If not for gaming then stick to your pc. A have both and my play station is for triple-A games and especially Sony exclusives. The pc is for the world and online games. I play league of legends on my

    "The pc is for the world and online games" - Not sure what you mean. There are plenty of good PC games that don't need to be played online (as well as good online games). I've actually tended to be more of a PC gamer than a console gamer, and there are lots of good games for PC.

    pc and I wish that online gaming will be available on consoles because I hate that I always have to buy different items for my pc. 2 weeks ago my

    I was pretty sure online gaming is a thing on consoles? I thought all modern consoles these days connectd to the internet, and I thought there were multiplayer online games for consoles?

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  • From Divarin@VERT/MUTINY to Basschestra on Thursday, September 30, 2021 16:48:21
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Basschestra to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:20:52

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20

    Is there a specific book you're reading or you just want to dink around in Basic?
    The C64 is what I grew up with. It was extrememly popular and therefore you'll get the most support there.
    However the basic is kind of crap actually. Almost anything you want to do with the hardware requires a complex series of peeks and pokes whereas other systems (Apple II, TI-99/4a (extended basic), even TRS-80) had basic commands like graphics, plot, sound, joystick, etc...

    The basic on the C128 has a lot more commands so there's that.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Divarin on Friday, October 01, 2021 08:42:00
    Divarin wrote to Basschestra <=-

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20

    Is there a specific book you're reading or you just want to dink around
    in Basic?

    I assume the book "BASIC Computer Games" by Ahl.

    There were a few variations of the book for the TRS-80, C64, etc. But if it's just the basic (he, he) one, then any BASIC will do since the games were intended to be used for (shall we call it) Common BASIC, which just about every computer at that time supported.

    However the basic is kind of crap actually. Almost anything you want
    to do with the hardware requires a complex series of peeks and pokes whereas other systems (Apple II, TI-99/4a (extended basic), even
    TRS-80) had basic commands like graphics, plot, sound, joystick, etc...

    Ya, that had to do with many things, but mostly cost. So add graphic/sound commands to BASIC on the C-64, for example, they'd have to go back to Microsoft and get a new license, which they didn't want to do for cost purposes. Or have their programmers spent a great deal of time, which they didn't want to do, again for cost purposes.

    The programs in "BASIC Computer Games" will run on just about any implementation of BASIC from the Altair through GW-BASIC on the IBM-PC.


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  • From kf5qeo@VERT/KF5QEO to Divarin on Tuesday, October 12, 2021 18:58:44
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Divarin to Basschestra on Thu Sep 30 2021 04:48 pm

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20
    Is there a specific book you're reading or you just want to dink around in Basic?
    systems (Apple II, TI-99/4a (extended basic), even TRS-80) had basic commands like graphics, plot, sound, joystick, etc...
    The basic on the C128 has a lot more commands so there's that.
    The plus/4 has all those commands as well...

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Divarin on Monday, October 25, 2021 08:18:36
    Re: Basic Computer Games
    By: Divarin to Basschestra on Thu Sep 30 2021 04:48 pm

    what computer should I use for book Basic computer Games.
    C64, CPET, VIC-20

    Is there a specific book you're reading or you just want to dink around in Basic?
    The C64 is what I grew up with. It was extrememly popular and therefore you'll get the most support there.
    However the basic is kind of crap actually. Almost anything you want to do with the hardware requires a complex series of peeks and pokes whereas other systems (Apple II, TI-99/4a (extended basic), even TRS-80) had basic commands like graphics, plot, sound, joystick, etc...

    The basic on the C128 has a lot more commands so there's that.

    You can get Simon's Basic for the C64, I had alot of fun with that as a kid. It extends the C64's basic command set.

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