• UTC and Local Time

    From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to All on Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:07:00
    I ran into this issue awhile back, and thought it had been
    fixed, but it's back.

    In SCFG, I have the time zone set for my local time zone (US
    Central), but in the message posts, it shows up as UTC Time.

    I don't remember what file to check on that from either the
    SBBS_DEV or SBBS_RUN file, to put into the setup, or if it was
    something else.

    While 2 of my interests, ham radio and weather, use UTC time,
    when I tried to use it on the BBS years ago, it screwed up the
    netmail times.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Saturday, July 17, 2021 17:02:33
    Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to All on Sat Jul 17 2021 12:07 pm

    I ran into this issue awhile back, and thought it had been
    fixed, but it's back.

    I don't recall there being a fix for your message time zone display issue. As I recall, you were seeing a different message timezone displayed when viewing the message via different means (e.g. smbutil vs. the internal message reader vs. msglist.js vs. a web interface). So more investigation and details from your end may be helpful.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Saturday, July 17, 2021 23:02:00
    Rob,

    I don't recall there being a fix for your message time zone display
    issue. As I recall, you were seeing a different message timezone
    displayed when viewing the message via different means (e.g. smbutil
    vs. the internal message reader vs. msglist.js vs. a web interface). So more investigation and details from your end may be helpful. --

    Whether I use SyncTerm, MTel, NetRunner, the web interface, or via the embedded FTelnet server from Rick Parrish's site, it's the same thing... showing the time on my message posts as UTC. I have the internal Windows
    time as US Central (with adjustments for Daylight Savings Time), and the
    same in SCFG.

    I'm using SlyEDit (ICE style) for my external editor, and Synchronet (Classic) as the command shell, with 80x24 ANSI, and CP437 as the terminal mode.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 18, 2021 11:44:30
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sat Jul 17 2021 11:02 pm

    Rob,

    I don't recall there being a fix for your message time zone display issue. As I recall, you were seeing a different message timezone displayed when viewing the message via different means (e.g. smbutil vs. the internal message reader vs. msglist.js vs. a web interface). So more investigation and details from your end may be helpful. --

    Whether I use SyncTerm, MTel, NetRunner,

    Which terminal program would never make a difference.

    the web interface,

    I checked a message I posted on your BBS via your web interface and it shows the correct time with no timezone info:
    http://tbolt.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=dove-2014&thread=1089

    Do we not mean the same thing by "web interface"?

    or via the
    embedded FTelnet server from Rick Parrish's site, it's the same thing... showing the time on my message posts as UTC.

    What about when using smbutil or msglist.js?

    When you message was exported to DOVE-Net, it had the correct timezone: when_written 60F3C3D8 C168 Sat Jul 17 23:02:00 2021 CDT
    ^^^

    I have the internal Windows
    time as US Central (with adjustments for Daylight Savings Time), and the same in SCFG.

    I'm using SlyEDit (ICE style) for my external editor, and Synchronet (Classic) as the command shell, with 80x24 ANSI, and CP437 as the terminal mode.

    The only thing that should matter is what zone you configured in SCFG. We went through this information collecting exercise the last time you brought it up (a year ago or more?) and there was no resolution as I couldn't reproduce it nor determine the cause.

    If you could give my "digital man" account on your BBS more access, that could possibly help. For example, posting privileges on one of your "local" sub-boards. It smells like a problem with the *display* of the message header and I seem to recall we had a lot of back and forth about whether you had a customized message header.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 18, 2021 12:39:29
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Sun Jul 18 2021 11:44 am

    If you could give my "digital man" account on your BBS more access, that could possibly help. For example, posting privileges on one of your "local" sub-boards. It smells like a problem with the *display* of the message header and I seem to recall we had a lot of back and forth about whether you had a customized message header.

    One useful experiment would be to copy text/menu/msghdrexample.asc to msghdr.asc and report back how the message header gets displayed in that case.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Sunday, July 18, 2021 17:46:00
    Rob,

    Which terminal program would never make a difference.

    OK, I wasn't sure if it would or not.

    Do we not mean the same thing by "web interface"?

    I guess it'd be either the webv4 by echicken, or the one that came with Synchronet.

    What about when using smbutil or msglist.js?

    That I'm not sure of. I use the jsexec for autoposts.

    When you message was exported to DOVE-Net, it had the correct timezone: when_written 60F3C3D8 C168 Sat Jul 17 23:02:00 2021 CDT
    ^^^

    Then I'm not sure why it isn't showing otherwise.

    The only thing that should matter is what zone you configured in SCFG.

    In SCFG, I have it as Central Time, with Daylight Savings Time as YES. I don't know if putting it to Automatic would make a difference or not. With
    my luck, Congress will change when DST is in effect.

    If you could give my "digital man" account on your BBS more access,
    that could possibly help. For example, posting privileges on one of
    your "local" sub-boards. It smells like a problem with the *display* of the message header and I seem to recall we had a lot of back and forth about whether you had a customized message header. --

    To my knowledge, I don't have a customized header, but I have other
    local areas for chatting, including an area for Visiting Sysops (at least access level 80 or above).

    I did discover a glitch for posting requirements in some areas of board
    1, including the Visiting Sysops area. That has been corrected.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Sunday, July 18, 2021 17:50:00
    Rob,

    One useful experiment would be to copy text/menu/msghdrexample.asc to msghdr.asc and report back how the message header gets displayed in
    that case. --

    That fixed it. I'm not sure how msghdr.asc got changed.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 18, 2021 20:12:15
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sun Jul 18 2021 05:50 pm

    Rob,

    One useful experiment would be to copy text/menu/msghdrexample.asc to msghdr.asc and report back how the message header gets displayed in that case. --

    That fixed it. I'm not sure how msghdr.asc got changed.

    Normally, there is no msghdr.asc. msghdrexample.asc is just that, an example. I was simply recommending that as an experiment to find out what happens when you used it - using it shouldn't actually *fix* anything, although it might display the time zone correctly, which would be good to know.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 18, 2021 20:13:32
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sun Jul 18 2021 05:46 pm

    Do we not mean the same thing by "web interface"?

    I guess it'd be either the webv4 by echicken, or the one that came with Synchronet.

    Your BBS is using webv4 by echicken and is displaying the posted time correctly but no time zone information. Previously, you said it was displaying the "same thing" (i.e. UTC) when using the web interface. That's not what I saw, on your BBS.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 18, 2021 20:14:09
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sun Jul 18 2021 05:46 pm

    What about when using smbutil or msglist.js?

    That I'm not sure of. I use the jsexec for autoposts.

    Could you try using smbutil and msglist.js to read the messages and find out? --
    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Daryl Stout on Monday, July 19, 2021 09:30:43
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sun Jul 18 2021 05:50 pm

    Rob,

    One useful experiment would be to copy text/menu/msghdrexample.asc to msghdr.asc and report back how the message header gets displayed in that case. --

    That fixed it. I'm not sure how msghdr.asc got changed.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Monday, July 19, 2021 11:33:00
    Rob,

    Your BBS is using webv4 by echicken and is displaying the posted time correctly but no time zone information. Previously, you said it was displaying the "same thing" (i.e. UTC) when using the web interface. That's not what I saw, on your BBS. --

    Well, the "example header" was copied over, and it fixed the glitch.
    There is another glitch, but it might be a browser setting. When I
    click on Connect Via Telnet, it just sits there.

    I had sent a message to echicken, but got no response.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Monday, July 19, 2021 11:51:35
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Mon Jul 19 2021 11:33 am

    Rob,

    Your BBS is using webv4 by echicken and is displaying the posted time correctly but no time zone information. Previously, you said it was displaying the "same thing" (i.e. UTC) when using the web interface. That's not what I saw, on your BBS. --

    Well, the "example header" was copied over, and it fixed the glitch.

    Like I said, that didn't actually fix anything; it was just an experiment. If you now *delete* the text/msghdr.asc file, what happens?
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Monday, July 19, 2021 16:49:00
    Rob,

    Like I said, that didn't actually fix anything; it was just an
    experiment. If you now *delete* the text/msghdr.asc file, what happens?

    Well, I did, and it showed the correct time. I'll have to look at it
    another day, and see if it's still there. I'm wondering when I did the
    update for sbbs_dev and sbbs_run that it changed it.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, July 20, 2021 00:29:04
    Re: Re: UTC and Local Time
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Mon Jul 19 2021 04:49 pm

    Rob,

    Like I said, that didn't actually fix anything; it was just an experiment. If you now *delete* the text/msghdr.asc file, what happens?

    Well, I did, and it showed the correct time. I'll have to look at it another day, and see if it's still there. I'm wondering when I did the update for sbbs_dev and sbbs_run that it changed it.

    No, there's been no change in that regard. I can only guess that you had a text/msghdr.asc file before (perhaps check your backups?) and it had the "UTC" hardcoded in there.
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