• Credits per Dollar?

    From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to All on Friday, November 12, 2021 19:55:14
    In scfg/system/advanced options, there is some verbiage about "credits per dollar". What's that all about? Are/Were people selling credits?

    I searched the web and got varying info about using it in conjunction with 900/976 numbers...???

    SYS64738

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Sys64738 on Friday, November 12, 2021 18:40:35
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to All on Fri Nov 12 2021 07:55 pm

    In scfg/system/advanced options, there is some verbiage about "credits per dollar". What's that all about? Are/Were people selling credits?

    At one time, yes, there were "pay BBSes" and selling credits (in turns used for downloading files or playing games) was one way for sysops to charge for the use of their systems.

    I searched the web and got varying info about using it in conjunction with 900/976 numbers...???

    Yup, that was another option: Call a special number (900/976 numbers in the US) just to add credits to your user account. I don't think that feature got much if any real use, but it was pretty simple to implement, so we had that too.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Friday, November 12, 2021 21:45:17
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Digital Man to Sys64738 on Fri Nov 12 2021 06:40 pm

    Yup, that was another option: Call a special number (900/976 numbers in the US) just to add credits to your user account. I don't think that feature got much if any real use, but it was pretty simple to implement, so we had that too.

    metropolous and rock garden and the other bbses used that a lot.
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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to Digital Man on Sunday, November 14, 2021 12:01:08
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Digital Man to Sys64738 on Fri Nov 12 2021 18:40:35

    In scfg/system/advanced options, there is some verbiage about "credits per dollar". What's that all about? Are/Were people selling credits?

    At one time, yes, there were "pay BBSes" and selling credits (in turns used for downloading files or playing games) was one way for sysops to charge for the use of their systems.

    That is interesting. Is there any documentation available to show how it was employed over the bbs? I've looked around to satisfy my curiosity, but haven't found anything. I'm mainly curious if this was all done electronically through the bbs using credit/debit cards, banking aba routing numbers with account numbers, or...?

    SYS64738

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Sys64738 on Sunday, November 14, 2021 13:14:50
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to Digital Man on Sun Nov 14 2021 12:01 pm


    That is interesting. Is there any documentation available to show how it was employed over the bbs? I've looked around to satisfy my curiosity, but haven't found anything. I'm mainly curious if this was all done electronically through the bbs using credit/debit cards, banking aba routing numbers with account numbers, or...?

    there was a number you called. you got a code.
    you put the code into the bbs.

    it wasnt all done electronically through the bbs.

    i think when i did it there was a 'door' i used made a selection and my phone was billed.

    it went on the phone bill. you actually didn't have to pay those charges and i canceled it once when i didn't get access to the bbs. you called up the phone company and said you didnt want to pay that charge and they said ok. no skin off their nose.

    so it was really brain dead and simple stuff.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Sys64738 on Sunday, November 14, 2021 15:30:06
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to Digital Man on Sun Nov 14 2021 12:01 pm

    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Digital Man to Sys64738 on Fri Nov 12 2021 18:40:35

    In scfg/system/advanced options, there is some verbiage about "credits per dollar". What's that all about? Are/Were people selling credits?

    At one time, yes, there were "pay BBSes" and selling credits (in turns used for downloading files or playing games) was one way for sysops to charge for the use of their systems.

    That is interesting. Is there any documentation available to show how it was employed over the bbs?

    Likely in the Synchronet v2 docs.

    I've looked around to satisfy my curiosity, but
    haven't found anything. I'm mainly curious if this was all done electronically through the bbs using credit/debit cards, banking aba routing numbers with account numbers, or...?

    There were some add-ons (e.g. Domain Point of Sale, something like, from Domain Entertainment) that could be used by BBS users to purchase credits or account upgrades using credit/debit cards.

    The 900/976 number was a different thing that didn't need any add-ons but the sysop would have to be running their own 900/976 service and know how much each call was charged (in $) and apply that much credit the user's account when they entered their user name (and were then disconnected). The user would then use the regular BBS phone numbers to use the BBS (and their newly-purcased credits).
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sunday, November 14, 2021 22:26:00
    there was a number you called. you got a code.
    you put the code into the bbs.

    it wasnt all done electronically through the bbs.

    i think when i did it there was a 'door' i used made a selection and my phone was billed.

    These are the ways I used to buy credits on the multi-line BBSes in my area. (419)

    I used to get in trouble with that phone number, but I had to stay in the teleconferences to chat w/ the gals!



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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to MRO on Monday, November 15, 2021 08:26:43
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: MRO to Sys64738 on Sun Nov 14 2021 13:14:50

    it wasnt all done electronically through the bbs.

    i think when i did it there was a 'door' i used made a selection and my phone was billed.

    I see. So, what was the use of the variable for "credits per dollar" on the bbs if it was all handled through the phone company?

    SYS64738

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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to Digital Man on Monday, November 15, 2021 08:32:12
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Digital Man to Sys64738 on Sun Nov 14 2021 15:30:06

    Likely in the Synchronet v2 docs.

    I will check that out. The BBS historian in me is dying to know more. lol

    There were some add-ons (e.g. Domain Point of Sale, something like, from Domain Entertainment) that could be used by BBS users to purchase credits or account upgrades using credit/debit cards.

    I think I saw that door program (or something like it) somewhere.

    SYS64738

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Sys64738 on Monday, November 15, 2021 10:23:47
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to MRO on Mon Nov 15 2021 08:26 am


    i think when i did it there was a 'door' i used made a selection and my phone was billed.

    I see. So, what was the use of the variable for "credits per dollar" on the bbs if it was all handled through the phone company?


    i'm not sure what you mean. people paid money for the credits. it was just handled through the 900 number.

    back in the day kids could call a phone number to talk to santa claus. it would say how many dollars per call. same deal. that company would be paid through the money taken off the person's phone bill.
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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to MRO on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 00:35:28
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: MRO to Sys64738 on Mon Nov 15 2021 10:23:47

    I see. So, what was the use of the variable for "credits per dollar" on the bbs if it was all handled through the phone company?


    i'm not sure what you mean. people paid money for the credits. it was just handled through the 900 number.

    back in the day kids could call a phone number to talk to santa claus. it would say how many dollars per call. same deal. that company would be paid through the money taken off the person's phone bill.

    I guess what I'm getting at is there was a function written in the synchronet bbs software to handle the "credits per dollar" portion. So, I assume at some point there is an interaction between the BBS and the phone company or someone to let the bbs know how much money was paid so the BBS would allocate to that user the proper amount of credits. I'm curious as to how that interaction occurred or what subroutine/file handled it.

    SYS64738

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Sys64738 on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:53:39
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to MRO on Tue Nov 16 2021 12:35 am

    I guess what I'm getting at is there was a function written in the synchronet bbs software to handle the "credits per dollar" portion. So, I assume at some point there is an interaction between the BBS and the phone company or someone to let the bbs know how much money was paid so the BBS would allocate to that user the proper amount of credits. I'm curious as to how that interaction occurred or what subroutine/file handled it.

    the source is right there. you can look if you're interested.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Sys64738 on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:10:31
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Sys64738 to MRO on Tue Nov 16 2021 12:35 am

    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: MRO to Sys64738 on Mon Nov 15 2021 10:23:47

    I see. So, what was the use of the variable for "credits per dollar" on the bbs if it was all handled through the phone company?


    i'm not sure what you mean. people paid money for the credits. it was just handled through the 900 number.

    back in the day kids could call a phone number to talk to santa claus. it would say how many dollars per call. same deal. that company would be paid through the money taken off the person's phone bill.

    I guess what I'm getting at is there was a function written in the synchronet bbs software to handle the "credits per dollar" portion. So, I assume at some point there is an interaction between the BBS and the phone company or someone to let the bbs know how much money was paid so the BBS would allocate to that user the proper amount of credits. I'm curious as to how that interaction occurred or what subroutine/file handled it.

    In Synchronet v2, there was a place to configure how much the 900/976 phone charge was for a specific node/phone number. And then Synchronet would apply the appropriate number of credits (based on the credits per dollar ratio) when a user connected to that node and entered their user name. No interaction between the BBS and the phone company.

    In Synchronet v3, the only place the "credits per dollar" ratio is used is when the sysop adds credits to a user account (using the '+' key in the ;uedit user editor), they can enter the amont in dollars and the conversion to credits is automatic. That's it.
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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT/IUTOPIA to Sys64738 on Sunday, November 14, 2021 11:43:00
    That is interesting. Is there any documentation available to show how
    it was employed over the bbs? I've looked around to satisfy my
    curiosity, but haven't found anything. I'm mainly curious if this was
    all done electronically through the bbs using credit/debit cards,
    They even used 900 numbers to help upgrade people's memberships too.

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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to Digital Man on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 03:48:20
    Re: Credits per Dollar?
    By: Digital Man to Sys64738 on Tue Nov 16 2021 12:10:31

    In Synchronet v3, the only place the "credits per dollar" ratio is used is when the sysop adds credits to a user account (using the '+' key in the ;uedit user editor), they can enter the amont in dollars and the conversion to credits is automatic. That's it.

    Good info. Thanks.

    SYS64738

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 08:05:00
    Rob,

    When I've tried to install the latest version of sbbs_dev and sbbs_run,
    when I go to start the control panel, I get an error about the cfg file
    sizes, and then control panel closes. So, I've had to go back to a backup
    so things would run. Any idea what's causing this?? I don't think the cfg
    file has gotten corrupted, but I hate to have to do a fresh install.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 09:41:21
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Wed Nov 17 2021 08:05 am

    Rob,

    When I've tried to install the latest version of sbbs_dev and sbbs_run, when I go to start the control panel, I get an error about the cfg file sizes, and then control panel closes.

    Double-check that error message, I doubt it mentions "file". More likely, it's the size of scfg_t that is being complained about and that indicates that the sbbs.dll and sbbsctrl.exe files you're using are not from the same version/build.

    So, I've had to go back to a backup
    so things would run. Any idea what's causing this??

    The sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll are not from the same version/build.

    I don't think the cfg
    file has gotten corrupted, but I hate to have to do a fresh install.

    No, a "fresh install" won't be necessary.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 11:39:09
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Wed Nov 17 2021 08:05 am

    Rob,

    When I've tried to install the latest version of sbbs_dev and sbbs_run, when I go to start the control panel, I get an error about the cfg file sizes, and then control panel closes. So, I've had to go back to a backup
    so things would run. Any idea what's causing this?? I don't think the cfg file has gotten corrupted, but I hate to have to do a fresh install.

    Daryl

    it would be good to see exactly what the error is and what the size of your 'cfg' file is. and which 'cfg' file it is.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 13:28:52
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Wed Nov 17 2021 09:41 am

    When I've tried to install the latest version of sbbs_dev and
    sbbs_run, when I go to start the control panel, I get an error about
    the cfg file sizes, and then control panel closes.

    Double-check that error message, I doubt it mentions "file". More likely, it's the size of scfg_t that is being complained about and that indicates that the sbbs.dll and sbbsctrl.exe files you're using are not from the same version/build.

    The sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll are not from the same version/build.

    I'm having the same problem. I was running a build from October 11th, and I downloaded today's build. I double-checked that I copied all the binaries, including sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll from today's build, but still got the error when loading sbbsctrl:
    Error loading configuration
    cfg->size (23944) != sizeof(scfg_t) (23952)

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Nightfox on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 17:55:00
    I'm having the same problem. I was running a build from October 11th,
    and I downloaded today's build. I double-checked that I copied all the binaries, including sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll from today's build, but still got the error when loading sbbsctrl: Error loading configuration
    cfg->size (23944) != sizeof(scfg_t) (23952)

    That's exactly what I got...I'm glad I'm not the only one.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 17:57:00
    Rob,

    Double-check that error message, I doubt it mentions "file". More
    likely, it's the size of scfg_t that is being complained about and that indicates that the sbbs.dll and sbbsctrl.exe files you're using are not from the same version/build.

    That is likely the issue. The previous download was from Nov. 1.

    The sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll are not from the same version/build.

    When I unzip the files, I shut down the control panel beforehand. But,
    I didn't think deleting those 2 files beforehand would solve the problem.

    No, a "fresh install" won't be necessary.

    That's good.

    I saw a message from Nightfox, and what he reported was exactly the
    error I was getting.

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 18:03:49
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Daryl Stout to Nightfox on Wed Nov 17 2021 05:55 pm

    I'm having the same problem. I was running a build from October 11th, and I downloaded today's build. I double-checked that I copied all the binaries, including sbbsctrl.exe and sbbs.dll from today's build, but still got the error when loading sbbsctrl: Error loading configuration
    cfg->size (23944) != sizeof(scfg_t) (23952)

    That's exactly what I got...I'm glad I'm not the only one.

    Thanks for the report (and the confirmation, Nightfox) - now fixed.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Digital Man on Thursday, November 18, 2021 13:04:00
    Rob,

    cfg->size (23944) != sizeof(scfg_t) (23952)

    That's exactly what I got...I'm glad I'm not the only one.

    Thanks for the report (and the confirmation, Nightfox) - now fixed.

    I'll get the file later. I just had Yag Laser Eye Surgery this morning,
    and am just doing QWK Mail after lunch before I go back to bed...I was up before sunrise (the butt crack of dawn), as I had to be at the clinic
    EARLY. So, my eyes are real tired right now.

    Daryl

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  • From Mike Dippel@VERT/HOBBYBBS to Daryl Stout on Thursday, November 18, 2021 16:54:57
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Thu Nov 18 2021 01:04 pm

    I had cataract surgery Monday. No ill effects, and wow, what a difference!

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Mike Dippel on Friday, November 19, 2021 12:51:00
    Mike,


    I had cataract surgery Monday. No ill effects, and wow, what a difference!

    I went from 20/2000 visual acuity to 20/20.

    I think of the joke where the girl was so depressed. She thought
    the man she was going to marry dealt with Cadillacs...but, he had
    actually said "cataracts". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Mike Dippel@VERT/HOBBYBBS to Daryl Stout on Friday, November 19, 2021 17:54:21
    Re: Re: Cfg Error
    By: Daryl Stout to Mike Dippel on Fri Nov 19 2021 12:51 pm

    I've had a lot of things in my lifetime, but never a Cadillac :)

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Mike Dippel on Saturday, November 20, 2021 07:00:00
    Mike,

    I've had a lot of things in my lifetime, but never a Cadillac :)

    My parents had a 1964 Pontiac Catalina 4 door station wagon in Florida. Before that, they had a 1957 DeSoto. My Dad had a 1963 Volkswagen, which
    had 315,000 miles on it when we sold it to the Central Arkansas Volks
    Folks shortly before his death nearly 15 years ago...and it still ran.

    Daryl

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  • From Mike Dippel@VERT to Daryl Stout on Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:33:02
    On 11/20/2021 7:06 AM, Daryl Stout wrote to Mike Dippel:

    I've had a lot of things in my lifetime, but never a Cadillac :)

    My parents had a 1964 Pontiac Catalina 4 door station wagon in Florida. Before that, they had a 1957 DeSoto. My Dad had a 1963 Volkswagen, which
    had 315,000 miles on it when we sold it to the Central Arkansas Volks
    Folks shortly before his death nearly 15 years ago...and it still ran.

    Daryl

    Ah! Longevity. Wouldn't it be nice for humans to have that.

    Mike

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Mike Dippel on Saturday, November 20, 2021 21:13:00
    Mike,

    Ah! Longevity. Wouldn't it be nice for humans to have that.

    It's like the tagline "Never have children...only grandchildren".
    If I could figure out how to do that and patent it, I'd be rich.
    It's like the saying "I'm only one step away from being rich. All
    I need is money". <G>

    Daryl

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