• BSD-Like Linux distributions

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to All on Sunday, October 11, 2020 09:36:24
    Hello everybody!

    I am interested to know if somebody is using a BSDesque Linux distribution around here. By that I mean, distributions that have a -stable core system and then a ports package system for the rest.

    I have been using Slackware for some years and I consider it very close to that. The official install has a "core" (not exactly a real core, but a software base that is official and not intended to change much within a single release). Then you can run sbotools on it (or a similar solution) and be creative with how you manage all the extras.

    The reason I am asking is because Slackware -stable's core is aging, I'd need something newer for certain purposes, and I don't want to run -current or any other pure rolling distribution.

    I am currently using - guess what - BSD's as replacements in some systems, but I actually need a Linux kernel for certain cases.

    Ideas and comments appreciated. Let's keep the ball rolling.


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  • From anthk@VERT to Arelor on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 07:53:58
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 am

    Hello.

    I am running Slackware 14.2 with a custom kernel, compiling 5.9 LTS
    is not a difficult task at all. Also, you can upgrade the MESA
    slackbuild up to 13.0.6 without issues, offering a slightly
    better GL support.

    Good luck :).

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 14:46:51
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 am

    I am interested to know if somebody is using a BSDesque Linux distribution around here. By that I mean, distributions that have a -stable core system and then a ports package system for the rest.

    Gentoo is about the closest you'll get. Its package management system is called "portage". It downloads the source for each package, then compiles it with your custom compile flags.

    Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat racist, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanese make)

    I run Gentoo on my dev box, which is also the machine that hosts my dialup line (which then forwards to my BBS server).

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to anthk on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 16:43:37
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: anthk to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 07:53 am

    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 am

    Hello.

    I am running Slackware 14.2 with a custom kernel, compiling 5.9 LTS
    is not a difficult task at all. Also, you can upgrade the MESA
    slackbuild up to 13.0.6 without issues, offering a slightly
    better GL support.

    Good luck :).


    Kernel updates are not what deprive me of sleep. Usually it is stuff like glibc, which I'd need to update for some
    specific reason, but sucks to manage yourself.

    HP Propietary plug-ins for printers and scanners are also offenders. If you want to use a modern one, you have to
    backport hplip to Slackware -stable. It is not that you can't do it, but I'd expect a distribution not to force me
    to backport infrastructure software for devices that are years old already - and are supported by the vendor.


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  • From anthk@VERT to Arelor on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 19:06:45
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to anthk on Tue Oct 20 2020 04:43 pm

    True, but often Slackware packages from slackbuilds can be upgraded straight with no
    dependecies, such as MESA in my case, having a nice boost from 11.x to 13.0.6. I guess HPLIP was written in Python right? Then upgrading it from a package sources
    would be just a little chore, such as setting the VERSION envvar right.
    Anyway, AlienBob has upgraded packages for a lot of software just in case.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 17:53:31
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: DaiTengu to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 02:46 pm

    Gentoo is about the closest you'll get. Its package management system is called "portage". It downloads the source for eac
    package, then compiles it with your custom compile flags.

    Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat racist, derogatory term for people that soup up th
    cars, often of Japanese make)

    I run Gentoo on my dev box, which is also the machine that hosts my dialup line (which then forwards to my BBS server).

    DaiTengu


    Thanks for the tip.

    I have actually been looking at Gentoo. I don't like the fact everything is rolling, and compiling everything seems too time
    consuming. It is the sort of thing that would work if you had 50 identical computers, though. You could build a package
    compiling cluster and then deploy packages to all your machines. I used to do that with OpenBSD since it comes with the
    software required to set a compilation cluster by default :-)

    Void Linux is also interesting, but it is also rolling.

    I will probably end up trying both for a couple of months each though.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to anthk on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 17:58:34
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: anthk to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 07:06 pm

    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to anthk on Tue Oct 20 2020 04:43 pm

    True, but often Slackware packages from slackbuilds can be upgraded straight with no
    dependecies, such as MESA in my case, having a nice boost from 11.x to 13.0.6.
    I guess HPLIP was written in Python right? Then upgrading it from a package sources
    would be just a little chore, such as setting the VERSION envvar right. Anyway, AlienBob has upgraded packages for a lot of software just in case.

    -- Unix junkie --


    I tried running a newer version of HPLIP in Slackware-stable some time ago and it failed to run, but recently I managed to
    "backport" it. The package built - I have yet to test it - but seriously, when you step out of the default with this sort of
    thing, you are just adding more work upon your shoulders. You can do it if need be, but you should not be forced to do it.


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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Thursday, October 22, 2020 00:19:00
    Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat rac
    >, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanese make)

    That brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's I built a 575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japanese 'fast' cars were referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term is left over from
    that. :)

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Friday, October 23, 2020 00:42:38
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributions
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Wed Oct 21 2020 05:53 pm

    Thanks for the tip.

    I have actually been looking at Gentoo. I don't like the fact everything is rolling, and compiling everything seems too time consuming. It is the sort of thing that would work if you had 50 identical computers, though. You could build a package compiling cluster and then deploy packages to all your machines. I used to do that with OpenBSD since it comes with the software required to set a compilation cluster by default :-)

    Yeah, Gentoo has distcc. I've always wanted to stand it up on a small cluster at work. Now that we're getting a bunch of dual-CPU AMD EPYC 64-core boxes (for a total of 256 CPUs per server with AMD's version of hyperthreading enabled). I wonder how long it would take to compile something like KDE with distcc across a dozen of those machines....

    Void Linux is also interesting, but it is also rolling.

    Not something I've ever looked into. I'm not against rolling releases, you just have to keep up with them. Like right now I'm stuck, because I have some old software on my Gentoo box, and it really wants to rip Python 2.7 out of my system. So I need to find a workaround.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Rob Mccart on Friday, October 23, 2020 00:43:25
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributi
    By: Rob Mccart to DAITENGU on Thu Oct 22 2020 12:19 am

    Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a
    somewhat rac
    , derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanese make)

    That brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's I built a 575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japanese 'fast' cars were referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term is left over from that. :)

    That term was still somewhat popular in the early 90's.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Saturday, October 24, 2020 17:58:00
    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributi
    By: DaiTengu to Rob Mccart on Fri Oct 23 2020 12:43 am

    Re: BSD-Like Linux distributi
    By: Rob Mccart to DAITENGU on Thu Oct 22 2020 12:19 am

    Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a
    somewhat rac
    , derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanes make)

    That brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's I built a 575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japanes 'fast' cars were referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term is left over from that. :)

    That term was still somewhat popular in the early 90's.

    DaiTengu

    ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.

    First Fast and Furious movie introduced most people to tuners and ricers.

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